Prime numbers and divisibility by 12

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The problem involves proving that for a prime number ##p## greater than 5, the expression ##p^2-37## is divisible by 12. The discussion centers around properties of prime numbers and their behavior under modular arithmetic.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore expressing ##p^2-37## in a form that highlights its divisibility by 3 and 4. Some suggest using modular arithmetic to simplify the problem, while others consider the implications of prime characteristics on the expression.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active with various approaches being considered. Some participants have offered insights into the equivalence of divisibility conditions, while others question the generality of the result and explore related concepts. There is a recognition of the importance of examining cases and using modular reasoning.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that any prime greater than 2 is odd and that primes greater than 3 are not divisible by 3, leading to specific congruences. There is also mention of the limitations of the result with respect to other numbers besides 12.

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Homework Statement



Prove that if ##p## is a prime number and if ##p>5## then ##p^2-37## is divisible by ##12##

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So I think that the number ##p^2-37## should be expressed in a way that we can clearly see that it is divisible by 3 and by 2 twice (because ##2\cdot 2\cdot 3=12##). I tried modifying the original expression into something like this: $$p^2-37=12k$$ Where ##k## is a natural number, but got stuck here.

I also tried doing something with this: ##(p-\sqrt{37})\cdot (p+\sqrt{37})## but what next?

I think I am missing a step where I could use some of the properties of prime numbers, but I have really no idea where and how. I've been trying to solve this task for a pretty long time already, unfortunately whiteout success.
 
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If you write ##p^2-37=12k## a bit differently, i.e. move ##36## into the ##12k## term, then it's easier to apply the trick with the third binomial formula, and the result becomes obvious. Btw, it works for ##p=5\,,## too.
 
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I would suggest considering the two possible crimes in terms of ##4 : 4k+1, 4k+3 ## , or maybe easier conceptually but longer, the primes ## 12k+1, 12k+5, 12k+7, 12k-1 ## (last is the same as ##12k+11.)##
 
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Philip Robotic said:

Homework Statement



Prove that if ##p## is a prime number and if ##p>5## then ##p^2-37## is divisible by ##12##

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The Attempt at a Solution



So I think that the number ##p^2-37## should be expressed in a way that we can clearly see that it is divisible by 3 and by 2 twice (because ##2\cdot 2\cdot 3=12##). I tried modifying the original expression into something like this: $$p^2-37=12k$$ Where ##k## is a natural number, but got stuck here.

I also tried doing something with this: ##(p-\sqrt{37})\cdot (p+\sqrt{37})## but what next?

I think I am missing a step where I could use some of the properties of prime numbers, but I have really no idea where and how. I've been trying to solve this task for a pretty long time already, unfortunately whiteout success.

Just a couple of observations, to emphasise why the other comments above are so important.

You really should have noticed that ##p^2 - 37## being divisible by 12 is equivalent to ##p^2 -1## being divisible by 12. That's a big lesson to learn from this! Whenever you are looking at divisible by ##n##, always think modulo ##n##.

Second, how generally true is this? Are there other numbers for which ##p^2 - 1## is always divisible by them? You might like to try to find some. But, perhaps this is a very specific result. It doesn't work for ##n = 10## or ##n = 14## or ##n =16##. Only ##n = 12##. Although, actually, it works for ##n = 24## as well!

So, maybe a "proof" here is just working through the small number of options for primes module 12? This is called a proof by "exhaustion".

My point is that this is another important lesson: sometimes, especially in these sort of problems, the best solution may simply be to go through all the options.
 
Philip Robotic said:

Homework Statement



Prove that if ##p## is a prime number and if ##p>5## then ##p^2-37## is divisible by ##12##
It seems to me that two observations will essentially get you there.

1. Any prime number greater than 2 is an odd number. I.e. p = 2k + 1 .

2. Any prime number greater than 3 is not divisible by 3, so it's congruent to ±1 mod 3 .
 
PeroK said:
Just a couple of observations, to emphasise why the other comments above are so important.

You really should have noticed that ##p^2 - 37## being divisible by 12 is equivalent to ##p^2 -1## being divisible by 12. That's a big lesson to learn from this! Whenever you are looking at divisible by ##n##, always think modulo ##n##.

Second, how generally true is this? Are there other numbers for which ##p^2 - 1## is always divisible by them? You might like to try to find some. But, perhaps this is a very specific result. It doesn't work for ##n = 10## or ##n = 14## or ##n =16##. Only ##n = 12##. Although, actually, it works for ##n = 24## as well!

So, maybe a "proof" here is just working through the small number of options for primes module 12? This is called a proof by "exhaustion".

My point is that this is another important lesson: sometimes, especially in these sort of problems, the best solution may simply be to go through all the options.
True. I start getting upset when I hear , usually profs., rejecting solutions that are not " elegant ' enough. Hey, when solving hard problems becomes second nature I will start worrying about my solutions being elegant.
 

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