Probabilities for degenerate eigenvalues?

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The discussion centers around the computation of measurement probabilities for degenerate eigenvalues in non-relativistic quantum mechanics (QM). Participants explore the implications of having a subspace of eigenvectors associated with a single degenerate eigenvalue, particularly focusing on how to calculate the probability of measuring that eigenvalue from the eigenvectors in the subspace.

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  • One participant asks how the measurement probability for a degenerate eigenvalue is computed from the eigenvectors in the associated subspace.
  • Another participant explains that the probability is the sum of the squared absolute values of the amplitudes of the components belonging to the subspace, providing a formula for this calculation.
  • A later reply reiterates the same explanation, emphasizing the state collapse to the projection on the eigen-subspace after measurement.
  • One participant expresses curiosity about the squaring of individual amplitudes before summation, noting that in typical QM scenarios, amplitudes are summed first before squaring to find probabilities.
  • Another participant raises a concern that summing amplitudes first could lead to zero probability for some results, despite nonzero amplitudes, which would violate the normalization condition of probabilities.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the treatment of amplitudes in calculating probabilities for degenerate eigenvalues. There is no consensus on the implications of summing amplitudes versus squaring them first, indicating an unresolved debate on this aspect of quantum mechanics.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential limitations in understanding the treatment of probabilities in the context of degenerate eigenvalues, particularly regarding the assumptions about amplitude summation and normalization of probabilities.

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In non-relativistic QM, given a wave function that has a degenerate eigenvalue for some observable, say energy. There is a whole subspace of eigenvectors associated with that single degenerate eigenvalue. How is the measurement probability for that degenerate eigenvalue computed from the eigenvectors in the subspace?

Thanks in advance.
 
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It's the sum of the squared absolute values of the amplitudes of the components belonging to that subspace. After the measurement, if you got that degenerate eigenvalue as a result, the state has collapsed to its projection on that eigen-subspace.

In more precise terms, if the system is in state ##\left|\right.\psi\left.\right>## and the degenerate eigenstates with eigenvalue ##\lambda## are denoted by ##\left|\right.\phi_i \left.\right>##, the probability of getting result ##\lambda## in a measurement is

##P(\lambda ) = \sum\limits_i |\left<\phi_i \left|\right. \psi\right>|^2##,

and the state after getting that result is

##\sum\limits_i \left<\phi_i \left|\right. \psi\right>\left|\right.\phi_i \left.\right>##.
 
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hilbert2 said:
It's the sum of the squared absolute values of the amplitudes of the components belonging to that subspace. After the measurement, if you got that degenerate eigenvalue as a result, the state has collapsed to its projection on that eigen-subspace.

In more precise terms, if the system is in state ##\left|\right.\psi\left.\right>## and the degenerate eigenstates with eigenvalue ##\lambda## are denoted by ##\left|\right.\phi_i \left.\right>##, the probability of getting result ##\lambda## in a measurement is

##P(\lambda ) = \sum\limits_i |\left<\phi_i \left|\right. \psi\right>|^2##,

and the state after getting that result is

##\sum\limits_i \left<\phi_i \left|\right. \psi\right>\left|\right.\phi_i \left.\right>##.

Ok, thanks.

I find it interesting that the individual amplitudes for the eigenstates in the subspace are squared before they are summed. Normally, in QM, if you are given all the different ways something can happen (an eigenvalue can be measured), you add the individual amplitudes first and then square the sum to get the final probability.
 
referframe said:
Normally, in QM, if you are given all the different ways something can happen (an eigenvalue can be measured), you add the individual amplitudes first and then square the sum to get the final probability.

If you do that in this case, you can have zero probability for some result despite some of the corresponding amplitudes being nonzero, and then the sum of all probabilities would not be 1.
 

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