Probabilities or pressures in the Saha equation?

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The discussion revolves around the Saha equation in the context of a hydrogen atom/ion system, focusing on the ratio of probabilities of the atom being in an unoccupied versus an occupied state. The participants are exploring the relationship between these probabilities and the corresponding pressures in a thermodynamic framework.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants are examining the derivation of the Saha equation and questioning the equivalence of probability ratios and pressure ratios. There is an exploration of expressing probabilities in terms of particle numbers and their relation to partial pressures.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and attempting to clarify the connections between probabilities, particle numbers, and pressures. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between the number of particles and their probabilities, but no consensus has been reached on the implications of these relationships.

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Participants are working under the assumption that the electrons can be treated as a monatomic gas and are neglecting the spin states of the electrons. There is an emphasis on deriving the Saha equation without providing complete solutions.

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Homework Statement


Consider a system consisting of a single hydrogen atom/ion, which has two possible states: unoccupied (i.e., no electron present) and occupied (i.e., one electron present, in the ground state). Calculate the ratio of the probabilities of these two states, to obtain the Saha equation. Treat the electrons as a monatomic gas, for the purpose of determining the chemical potential. Neglect the fact that an electron has two independent spinstates.

Homework Equations


The Saha equation $$\frac{P_H}{P_{H^+}}=\frac{kT}{P_e}\bigg(\frac{2\pi m_e kT}{h^2}\bigg)^{3/2}e^{-I/kT},$$ where ##P_H##, ##P_{H^+}## and ##P_e## are the partial pressures for the hydrogen, ionized hydrogen and the electrons, respectively. The equaition can also be written in terms of number of particles using $$P/kT=N/V.$$

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I believe that I successfully derived the equation, as I found that $$\frac{P(H)}{P(H^+)}=\frac{kT}{P_e}\bigg(\frac{2\pi m_e kT}{h^2}\bigg)^{3/2}e^{-I/kT},$$ where the ##P##'s on the left hand side are the probabilities of finding the particle in one of the two states (hydrogen in the numerator and ionized hydrogen in the denominator). But I do not understand why the ratios of the probabilities is equal to the ratio of pressures. Could someone explain this to me?
 
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Can you express your ##\frac{P(H)}{P(H^+)}## in terms of the number of H atoms, ##N(H)##, and the number of H ions, ##N(H^+)##?
 
So the system is found either occupied or unoccupied with the probabilities ##P(H)## or ##P(H^+)##, respectively. If we then consider ##N## such systems we should find that there are ##N(H) = P(H)N## occupied states and ##N(H^+)=P(H^+)N## unoccupied states, so that ##\frac{N(H)}{N(H^+)}=\frac{P(H)}{P(H^+)}##. Is it so simple?
 
I think that's all there is to it. You can then relate the N's to the partial pressures.
 
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