Probability of AND vs. OR: Understanding the difference and formulas

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The discussion centers on the differences between the probability of AND and the probability of OR, exploring their definitions, mathematical formulations, and providing examples. The scope includes conceptual understanding and mathematical reasoning related to basic probability principles.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants explain that the probability of AND is more restrictive than the probability of OR, requiring both events to occur for AND, while OR requires only one event to occur.
  • It is noted that mathematically, the probability for OR is typically calculated by adding probabilities, which increases the total probability, whereas AND is calculated by multiplying probabilities, often resulting in a smaller value.
  • An example is provided where event A is defined as it raining tomorrow and event B as hearing a favorite song on the radio. The occurrence of A AND B means both events happen, while A OR B means at least one of the events occurs.
  • A participant suggests a specific probability problem using assumed probabilities for events A and B, calculating the probabilities for both AND and OR scenarios.
  • Another participant reiterates the example and calculations, providing a breakdown of the occurrences over a hypothetical 100 days to illustrate the probabilities further.

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Participants generally agree on the conceptual differences between AND and OR probabilities, but there is no explicit consensus on the best way to present or solve the probability problems posed.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the independence of events A and B, and the calculations rely on these assumptions without further exploration of their implications.

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Can someone explain in simple terms the difference between the probability of AND and the probability of OR.
Can you provide an example for each? Can you please explain the AND/OR formulas for each probability found in most textbooks?
 
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RTCNTC said:
Can someone explain in simple terms the difference between the probability of AND and the probability of OR.
Can you provide an example for each? Can you please explain the AND/OR formulas for each probability found in most textbooks?

I can try to explain this conceptually.

In basic probability, AND is more restrictive than OR. If we have two events A,B then AND requires both events to occur while OR just requires one of them to occur.

When mathematically using these terms, for OR we usually end up adding two probabilities together, increasing the total probability. When using AND we usually multiply two probabilities, which results in something smaller.

An example could be: A is the event that tomorrow is rainy, B is the event that I hear my favorite song on the radio. Assuming they have nothing to with each other, then A AND B occurring means tomorrow is rainy and I hear my favorite song. Both must occur or this AND isn't true. A OR B occurring means tomorrow is rainy, tomorrow I hear my favorite song, or both happen. Three possibilities and more likely than both happening alone.
 
Jameson said:
I can try to explain this conceptually.

In basic probability, AND is more restrictive than OR. If we have two events A,B then AND requires both events to occur while OR just requires one of them to occur.

When mathematically using these terms, for OR we usually end up adding two probabilities together, increasing the total probability. When using AND we usually multiply two probabilities, which results in something smaller.

An example could be: A is the event that tomorrow is rainy, B is the event that I hear my favorite song on the radio. Assuming they have nothing to with each other, then A AND B occurring means tomorrow is rainy and I hear my favorite song. Both must occur or this AND isn't true. A OR B occurring means tomorrow is rainy, tomorrow I hear my favorite song, or both happen. Three possibilities and more likely than both happening alone.

Great reply. Can you provide an actual AND/OR problem for each?
 
He just did: "A is the event that tomorrow is rainy, B is the event that I hear my favorite song on the radio. Assuming they have nothing to with each other, then A AND B occurring means tomorrow is rainy and I hear my favorite song. Both must occur or this AND isn't true. A OR B occurring means tomorrow is rainy, tomorrow I hear my favorite song, or both happen. Three possibilities and more likely than both happening alone."

If you want to make this a probability problem, assume that P(A)= 0.2 (there is a 20% chance that it will rain tomorrow) and P(B)= 0.05 (there is a 5% chance he will hear his favorite song). Then (assuming these are independent events) the probability he will hear his favorite song and it will rain tomorrow is P(A)*P(B)= (0.2)(0.05)= 0.010 or 1%. The probability he will either hear his favorite song or it will rain tomorrow is P(A)+ P(B)- P(A)*P(B)= 0.2+ 0.05- (0.2)(0.05)= 0.25- 0.01= 0.24.

Another way to do this: Imagine 100 such days. In 20% of them, 20, it rains. In 5% of them, 5, he hears his favorite song. One of those days, both happen. So we have 19 days on which it rains but he does not hear his favorite song, 4 days on which he hears his favorite song but it does not rain, and 1 day on which he hears his favorite song and it rains. That is a total of 19+ 4+ 1= 20+ 5- 1= 24 days on which he either hears his favorite song or it rains. That is a probability of 24/100= 0.24 again.
 

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