Probability of neutrino switching: more massive, more probable?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of neutrino oscillation, particularly in relation to the hypothetical sterile neutrino and its mass implications on the probability of switching between neutrino flavors. Participants explore theoretical justifications and seek clarification on the underlying principles governing these phenomena.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant references an article discussing sterile neutrinos and suggests that their greater mass could lead to quicker flavor switching, proposing the Energy-time uncertainty relation as a possible justification.
  • Another participant challenges this idea, stating that the oscillation rate depends on the mass-squared difference (Δm²) rather than the Energy-time uncertainty relation.
  • A participant acknowledges their previous misunderstanding and expresses a desire to learn more about neutrino oscillation, indicating they will consult additional resources, including Wikipedia and lecture slides from a neutrino expert.
  • Additional resources are shared, including lecture slides that provide a simplified treatment of neutrino oscillations, which may help clarify the topic further.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the justification for the behavior of sterile neutrinos and the factors influencing neutrino oscillation, indicating that multiple competing views remain and the discussion is not resolved.

Contextual Notes

Some participants acknowledge the need for further reading and understanding of the mathematical foundations of neutrino oscillation, suggesting that there are unresolved aspects regarding the relationship between mass and oscillation probability.

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Hypothetical sterile neutrinos being more massive mean it is more probable for the other flavors to switch to them, and vice-versa? Justified by Energy-time uncertainty, or what?
In Scientific American, July 2020, the article "The Darkest Particle" by Louis and Van de Water, page 46, discussing the hypothetical sterile neutrino, there is the sentence: "Because sterile neutrinos are likely to be more massive than the regular flavors, however, particles could make the switch to this type more quickly and could likewise change back from sterile to one of the three regular flavors over shorter distances." My guess for the justification of this sentence is the Energy-time uncertainty relation, but I am unsure: perhaps I am being overly simplistic? All corrections welcome.
 
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nomadreid said:
My guess for the justification of this sentence is the Energy-time uncertainty relation, but I am unsure: perhaps I am being overly simplistic?

No, just incorrect. The oscillation rate (not probability) depends on Δm2. (And before you ask "Why?" realize that you would be asking "please explain why the outcome of a calculation is what it is without reference to that calculation")
 
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Ah, thanks, Vanadium 50. That is, I was wrong because I was being simplistic, and of course not only will I not ask "why?" but even will not ask for the formula to which you refer, because it is obvious that I need to do some more reading on neutrino oscillation before I am ready to understand why the mass term is there. But you pointed me in a new direction, for which I am grateful.

I guess I can start with the Wiki explanation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrino_oscillation#Propagation_and_interference
and follow up with
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1802.05781.pdf
 
nomadreid said:
Ah, thanks, Vanadium 50. That is, I was wrong because I was being simplistic, and of course not only will I not ask "why?" but even will not ask for the formula to which you refer, because it is obvious that I need to do some more reading on neutrino oscillation before I am ready to understand why the mass term is there. But you pointed me in a new direction, for which I am grateful.

I guess I can start with the Wiki explanation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrino_oscillation#Propagation_and_interference
and follow up with
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1802.05781.pdf

Neutrino expert Mark Thomson has made available his excellent lecture slides for an introductory particle physics that he taught in 2011,
https://www.hep.phy.cam.ac.uk/~thomson/MPP/ModernParticlePhysics.html

His "11. Neutrino Oscillations" might be a good place to start.

He gives a simplified, but standard, treatment of neutrino oscillations. From his slides "The full derivation requires a wave-packet treatment and gives the same result"
 
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Thank you, George Jones. That is very helpful.
 

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