Probability that someone has the disease

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The discussion revolves around calculating the probabilities related to a disease given the results of two independent tests. Participants explore the implications of test accuracy and the application of Bayes' theorem in determining the probability of having the disease based on test outcomes. The focus includes theoretical reasoning and mathematical calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes calculating the probability of having the disease given at least one positive test result and both positive test results.
  • Another participant confirms that if the tests are independent, the probabilities for no positive results can be expressed as the square of the individual probabilities of a negative result given the disease or not having the disease.
  • There is a correction regarding a typo in the probability value used in calculations.
  • Participants discuss the calculations for the probability of at least one positive test result and both positive test results, noting discrepancies with suggested solutions from external sources.
  • One participant questions whether the focus should be on conditional probabilities given the test results.
  • Another participant affirms the use of Bayes' theorem to express the probability of having the disease given at least one positive test result.
  • There is a consensus on the expression for the probability of at least one positive test result given the disease.

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Participants generally agree on the mathematical approach and the use of Bayes' theorem, but there are discrepancies in the numerical results and some uncertainty regarding the correct interpretation of the probabilities involved.

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Participants express uncertainty about specific numerical results and the implications of their calculations, indicating that some assumptions or interpretations may not be fully resolved.

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Hey! :o

The percentage of people that have a disease A is $0,01$.
We apply twice a test for that disease, each of which give the correct answer with probability $0,95$.
What is the probability that someone has that disease if at least one test is positive and what is the probability if both tests are positive? I have done the following:

We have that $$P(\text{at least one positive})=1-P(\text{no positive})=1-P(NN)$$ where N: "negative". Let D be the event "has the disease".

Then we have that $$P(NN)=P(NN\cap D)+P(NN\cap D^C)=P(NN\mid D)\cdot P(D)+P(NN\mid D^C)\cdot P(D^C)$$ We have that $P(D)=0,01$ and $P(D^C)=0,99$.

Does it hold that $P(NN\mid D)=P(N\mid D)^2$ and $P(NN\mid D^C)=P(N\mid D^C)^2$ ?

If yes, does it hold that $P(N\mid D)=0,05$ and $P(N\mid D^C)=0,95$ ?

That would mean that we get $$P(NN)=0,05^2\cdot 001+0,95^2\cdot 0,99$$ Is this correct? (Wondering)
 
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mathmari said:
Does it hold that $P(NN\mid D)=P(N\mid D)^2$ and $P(NN\mid D^C)=P(N\mid D^C)^2$ ?
If the two tests are independent, yes.

If yes, does it hold that $P(N\mid D)=0,05$ and $P(N\mid D^C)=0,95$ ?
Yes.

That would mean that we get $$P(NN)=0,05^2\cdot 001+0,95^2\cdot 0,99$$ Is this correct? (Wondering)

Except for the typo where you meant "0.01" and not "0.001", yes.

You know you have not yet answered either question, right?
 
tkhunny said:
Except for the typo where you meant "0.01" and not "0.001", yes.

Ah ok!

So, we have that $$P(NN)=0.05^2\cdot 0.01+0.95^2\cdot 0.99=0.8935$$
tkhunny said:
You know you have not yet answered either question, right?

For the first question we have the following:
$$P(\text{at least one positive})=1-P(\text{no positive})=1-P(NN)=1-0.8935=0.1065$$
Is this correct?

At the suggested solution the result is $0, 093661972$. Can that be? (Wondering) For the second question we have the following:
\begin{align*}P(PP)&=P(PP\cap D)+P(PP\cap D^C) \\ & =P(PP\mid D)\cdot P(D)+P(PP\mid D^C)\cdot P(D^C)\\ & =P(P\mid D)^2\cdot P(D)+P(P\mid D^C)^2\cdot P(D^C)\\ & =0.95^2\cdot 0.01+0.05^2\cdot 0.99 \\ & =0.0115\end{align*}

Again the suggested result is different. It is $0, 784782609$. (Wondering)
 
Isn't the question for P(D|at least one positive) respectively P(D|both positive)? (Wondering)
 
I like Serena said:
Isn't the question for P(D|at least one positive) respectively P(D|both positive)? (Wondering)

Ah yes!

So, we have the following: $$P(D|\text{at least one positive})=\frac{P(D\cap \text{at least one positive})}{P(\text{at least one positive})}=\frac{P( \text{at least one positive}\mid D)\cdot P(D)}{0.1065}=\frac{P( \text{at least one positive}\mid D)\cdot 0.01}{0.1065}$$ Is everything correct so far? To what is $P( \text{at least one positive}\mid D)$ equal? (Wondering)
 
Yep! And P(at least one positive|D)=1-P(NN|D).
 
I like Serena said:
Yep! And P(at least one positive|D)=1-P(NN|D).

I see! Thank you! (Smile)
 

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