Probing the atom with light high velocity particles

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the momentum and energy of a relativistic projectile particle needed to resolve the structure of an atom, specifically with a diameter of 10^-10 m. Participants are exploring the implications of relativistic equations in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the necessary momentum and energy calculations, questioning the assumptions about the mass of the projectile particle and the appropriateness of using certain equations. There is a focus on whether to ignore the rest mass and the implications of doing so.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants raising questions about the problem's requirements and the assumptions involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of relativistic energy equations, but there is no clear consensus on the correct approach or interpretation of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the lack of information regarding the mass of the projectile particle, which complicates the calculations. There is also a mention of the potential for using massless particles like photons in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement



The first part asks to find the necessary momentum of a "relativistic projectile particle" in order to resolve a diameter of 10^-10m (i.e. the atom). The second part asks to find the corresponding energy of the projectile particle, in GeV.

Homework Equations



λ = h/p

E2 = p2c2+m02c4

These are the only relevant equations I can think of.

The Attempt at a Solution



The first part seems easy, I'm assuming I have that one right. It looks as easy as just λ=10^-10m, so p = h/10-10 ≈ 6.63 * 10-24kgms-1 to resolve the atom.

The second part seems less obvious, the only equation I know of that can answer it is the relativistic energy equation, however the problem does not say what the projectile particle is or its mass. E could be approximated to be pc if the mass is very small, but this approximation would only be reasonable if the particle's invariant mass was significantly less than p/c, which in this case is ≈10-32kg. I don't know of many particles which are this light, so it seems unreasonable to make that approximation. Are there any equations I am forgetting which give the energy of the particle? I'm suspicious that I have forgotten something very basic. Of course, if the first part is wrong, it may mean that I can safely make the approximation.

Thanks for any help.
 
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Are you sure about the exponent on that p value? And, sure, they must mean ignore the mass. I can think of some particles that are light enough. Photons and neutrinos would be good. Though neutrinos would have other problems.
 
This problem is just totally weird. The momentum needed to probe something as large as the atom (not even the nucleus, the whole atom) is not very high. So even if they did want me to ignore the rest mass, the energy E = pc is going to be nowhere near the scale of GeV. Which leads me to think that they want me to include the rest mass, which they have given me absolutely no information about. I'll post the full problem word for word in case I have misread or misinterpreted anything:

a). Estimate the momentum in SI units needed for a relativistic projectile particle
to be used in a scattering experiment to resolve the structure of a target particle of
diameter 10^−10 m (eg. an atom).
b). Find the corresponding energy of the projectile particle in giga-electron-volts
(GeV)
 
The necessary momentum involves the smallest energy of a particle with the given wavelength. It can be even a photon with zero rest mass. You have written the expression of E in terms of the momentum: E2 = p2c2+m02c4, so E≥pc. If the rest mass differs from zero the energy must be higher than that minimum value.

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