Problem about a connected subspace

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The discussion revolves around a problem from topology concerning the connectedness of the space \((X \times Y) - (A \times B)\), where \(A\) and \(B\) are proper subsets of connected spaces \(X\) and \(Y\), respectively. Participants are examining whether the exercise from Munkres' Topology is correct and exploring potential counterexamples.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants believe the exercise from Munkres is incorrect and express a desire to discuss and prove this point.
  • One participant suggests they have a counterexample but is hesitant to share it without further validation from others.
  • Another participant proposes a specific example involving the removal of the product \((0,1) \times (0,1)\) from \(\mathbb{R}^2\) and discusses how to connect the remaining points using vertical and horizontal lines.
  • There is mention of the general principle that subsets of the form \(\{a\} \times Y\) and \(X \times \{b\}\) are connected, which may support the argument for connectedness in the product space.
  • A participant acknowledges a mistake in their initial counterexample after considering the arguments presented.
  • Another participant notes that the discussion relates closely to the proof that a product of connected spaces is connected.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the correctness of the exercise from Munkres, with multiple competing views and no consensus reached regarding the validity of the proposed counterexamples.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the validity of their counterexamples and the implications of the connectedness properties discussed. There are unresolved assumptions regarding the nature of the subsets \(A\) and \(B\) and their impact on the connectedness of the resulting space.

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Helo, I believe that the folowing exercise from Topology by Munkres is incorrect:
"Let A be a proper subset of X, and let B be a proper subsert of Y. If X and Y are conected, show that
##(X\times Y)-(A\times B)## is connected"
I think I can prove it wrong however I'm not sure and would like to discuss it.
 
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facenian said:
Helo, I believe that the folowing exercise from Topology by Munkres is incorrect:
"Let A be a proper subset of X, and let B be a proper subsert of Y. If X and Y are conected, show that
##(X\times Y)-(A\times B)## is connected"
I think I can prove it wrong however I'm not sure and would like to discuss it.

Then give a counterexample.
 
Math_QED said:
Then give a counterexample.
I think I have it, however I don't want to mislead someone else to a probably mistaken answer that's why I would like to know if anybody already now the solution or has an opinion.
I think I must be wrong otherwise there is a mistake in Munkres' book
 
Let's just look in the (x,y) plane R^2, and remove the product (0,1) x (0,1). Do you see how to connect up all points of the complement by drawing vertical and horizontal lines? The same thing works in general. try it yourself after removing from the plane say all points having both coordinates rational. I.e. remove QxQ from RxR. The point is in general that in the product space XxY, all subsets of the form {a} x Y and Xx{b} are connected, (and meet at (a,b)), and the union of two connected sets that meet is also connected. Does that do it? I have not written anything down.
 
mathwonk said:
Let's just look in the (x,y) plane R^2, and remove the product (0,1) x (0,1). Do you see how to connect up all points of the complement by drawing vertical and horizontal lines? The same thing works in general. try it yourself after removing from the plane say all points having both coordinates rational. I.e. remove QxQ from RxR. The point is in general that in the product space XxY, all subsets of the form {a} x Y and Xx{b} are connected, (and meet at (a,b)), and the union of two connected sets that meet is also connected. Does that do it? I have not written anything down.

Thank you, now a see the mistake in the counterexample I thought I had.
 
in fact this is almost the same as the proof that a product of connected spaces is connected.
 

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