Problem about Kohn Hohenberg theorem

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The discussion revolves around the Kohn-Sham theorem and its implications for determining the wave function from the Hamiltonian in the context of quantum mechanics and density functional theory (DFT). Participants explore the relationship between the external potential, the number of particles, and the Hamiltonian, as well as the derivation of wave functions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant references a proof that establishes how the external potential and the number of particles determine the Hamiltonian, questioning how the wave function is subsequently determined by the Hamiltonian.
  • Another participant asserts that unless the ground state is degenerate, the ground state wave function is uniquely determined by the Hamiltonian, aside from a constant complex phase, and mentions the implications of a spectrum not being bounded from below.
  • A participant discusses the definition of the wave function in the context of the Schrödinger equation, suggesting that wave functions can be derived explicitly for specific problems, such as the hydrogen molecule, and expresses confusion about deriving wave functions using the Hamiltonian.
  • Another participant reiterates the previous point about the definition of the wave function and distinguishes between momentum eigenstates and bound states relevant to DFT.

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Participants express differing views on the derivation of wave functions from the Hamiltonian, with some asserting uniqueness under certain conditions while others raise questions about the generalizability of these claims. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of deriving wave functions in the context of DFT.

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There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the ground state degeneracy and the conditions under which the wave functions can be derived. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps involved in these derivations.

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This proof is taken from this site:

http://cmt.dur.ac.uk/sjc/thesis_ppr/node12.html

I get that ##v_{ext}(r)## and ##N## determines ##H## from proof 1. But why is ##\Psi## determined by ##H##? Can someone derive a path to prove it mathematically?
 
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Unless the ground state is degenerate, which is very rare, there's no ambiguity as to the ground state wave function obtained for a given Hamiltonian (except for an arbitrary choice of the constant complex phase). You can't have a spectrum that's not bounded from below (in that pathological case there wouldn't be a ground state).
 
As far as I am concerned the wave function is definded in the derivation of the schrødinger equation as ##\Psi=\Psi_oe^{kx-\omega t}##. Of course there are others but thoose are derived explicitly for a given problem. For example the wave functions for the hydrogen molecule. I don't get why they can derive the wave functions by using ##H##
 
georg gill said:
As far as I am concerned the wave function is definded in the derivation of the schrødinger equation as ##\Psi=\Psi_oe^{kx-\omega t}##. Of course there are others but thoose are derived explicitly for a given problem. For example the wave functions for the hydrogen molecule. I don't get why they can derive the wave functions by using ##H##

What you're describing are momentum eigenstates, not bound states that DFT is used for finding.
 

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