Problem Involving Ring's gravitational force and velocity of distant partice

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The problem involves a uniform circular ring and a particle falling towards it under gravitational influence. The scenario compares the maximum speed of the particle when the ring's radius is doubled while maintaining the same linear mass density.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss different methods to derive the maximum speed of the particle, with one participant attempting a differential equation approach while another suggests using conservation of energy principles. There is a focus on understanding how changes in the ring's radius and mass affect the particle's speed.

Discussion Status

Some participants are exploring the implications of changing the ring's radius and mass, with one acknowledging a misunderstanding regarding the relationship between mass and radius. There is an indication of productive dialogue as participants clarify their reasoning and approaches.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the assumption that the linear mass density remains constant while the radius of the ring is doubled, leading to a doubling of the mass. There is also mention of the distance between the particle and the ring being significantly greater than the ring's radius.

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Homework Statement


A uniform circular ring of radius R is fixed in place. A particle is placed on the axis of the ring
at a distance much greater than R and allowed to fall towards the ring under the influence of the ring’s gravity. The particle achieves a maximum speed v. The ring is replaced with one of the same(linear) mass density but radius 2R, and the experiment is repeated. What is the new maximum speed of the particle?

[a.] .5v [b.] v/sqrt(2) [c.] v [d.] sqrt(2)v [e.] 2v

(The answer is [c.] v. I don't know why)

Homework Equations



F = GMm/r^2 = m*dv/dt


The Attempt at a Solution



I don't know if I'm overcomplicating things but here's what I did.

I set up a differential equation, letting r equal the distance between the particle and the edge of the ring and M being the mass of the ring. (R is the radius of the ring, as stated in the problem)

so F = ma

GM/(R+r)^2 = dv/dt (the mass of the particle cancels)

I then used the chain rule to get rid of the variable t.

dv/dt = dv/dr *dr/dt. dr/dt = v, so dv/dt = vdv/dr.

GM(dr)/(R+r)^2 = vdv

I integrated both sides, the left side of the equation has limits of integration from 0 to D, the maximum distance between the particle and the ring. The right side of the equation has limits of integration from 0 to v, the maximum velocity of the particle.

After simplifying, I got an expression for v in terms of R.

v = sqrt((2D)/(RD + R^2)). (I took out the constants G and M, because they weren't important.)

D is just a constant, so when R changes by a factor of 2, v changes by a factor of 1/sqrt(2). However, the answer key says that the velocity stays constant regardless if R doubles. Can somebody please help me?
 
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ur answer seems to be overly complicated to me. Here is my solution:
-GMm/r=-GMm/R + 1/2 m v^2 . r being the distance between the particle and centre of the ring.
from here u will get v = sqrt. 2GM(1/R-1/r) which can be reduced to sqrt.2GM/R since R<< r. Then it easily follows the answer. because if u double the radius without changing the linear density then M will be doubled and same for the radius and hence they will cancel out and won't affect the answer.
 
oh shoot! I forgot that the mass doubles as well as the radius. Yes, I was overcomplicating things by using kinematics rather than using conservation of energy...

But the thing that was messing me up was not doubling the mass as well as the radius.
 
Thanks!
 

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