Problem n. 7 chapter 4 Eisberg Resnick "Quantum Physics"

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The discussion revolves around Problem 7 from Chapter 4 of Eisberg and Resnick's "Quantum Physics," specifically focusing on Rutherford scattering and the calculation of the number of alpha particles scattered by a certain angle. Participants are examining the formulation and integration involved in deriving the expression for the number of scattered particles.

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Some participants have pointed out discrepancies between the original poster's formulation and the textbook, suggesting that there may be errors in the factors used. Others are providing guidance on how to properly format equations in LaTeX and clarifying the integration steps involved.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the correct application of the Rutherford formula and the integration limits. Participants are also addressing formatting issues related to LaTeX usage in the forum.

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baffetto59 said:
Homework Statement: the solution is not the same stated by the authors. Asking help about
Relevant Equations: integral
Please state the problem exactly as written and post it here in LaTeX (see the guide below) so readers don't have to open an attachment. To receive help, you also need to display your attempted solution.
 
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\documentclass{article}

\title {Problem n. 7 chapter 4 Eisberg Resnick "Quantum Physics"}
\usepackage{graphicx}
\graphicspath{ {./images/} }
\begin{document}
\maketitle
\begin{description}
\item Show that the number of $\alpha$ particles scattered by an angle $\Theta$ or greater in Rutherford scattering is
\item $(\frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_0})^2\pi I\rho t(\frac{zZe^2}{Mv^2})^2\cot^2(\Theta/2)$\space(1)
\item SOLUTION
\item starting from Rutherford formula dN=$(\frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_0})^2\pi I\rho t(\frac{zZe^2}{Mv^2})^2\frac{1}{\sin^4(\Theta/2)}d\Omega$ \space(1)
\item $d\Omega=2\pi\sin(\Theta)d\Theta$
\item integrate (1) from $\Theta$ to $\pi$
\item N=$(\frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_0})^2\pi I\rho t(\frac{zZe^2}{Mv^2})^2 \int_\Theta^\pi\frac{2\pi\sin(\Theta)d\Theta}{\sin^4(\Theta/2)}$
\item let u=$\Theta/2$\space;\space$d\Theta=2du$\space;\space$\sin(\Theta)=2\sin(\Theta/2)\cos(\Theta/2)$
\item =$(\frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_0})^2\space 8\pi^2I\rho t(\frac{zZe^2}{Mv^2})^2 \int\frac{\sin(u)\cos(u)}{\sin^4(u)}du$
\item =$(\frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_0})^2\space 8\pi^2I\rho t(\frac{zZe^2}{Mv^2})^2 \int\frac{\cos(u)}{\sin^3(u)}du$
\item =$(\frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_0})^2\space 8\pi^2I\rho t(\frac{zZe^2}{Mv^2})^2 \int\frac{d\sin(u)}{\sin^3(u)}$
\item =$(\frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_0})^2\space 8\pi^2I\rho t(\frac{zZe^2}{Mv^2})^2 (-\frac{1}{2})\frac{1}{\sin^2(\Theta/2)}\mid^\pi_\Theta$
\item =$(\frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_0})^2\space 8\pi^2I\rho t(\frac{zZe^2}{Mv^2})^2 (-\frac{1}{2})(1-\frac{1}{\sin^2(\Theta/2)})$
\item =$(\frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_0})^2\space 8\pi^2I\rho t(\frac{zZe^2}{Mv^2})^2 (\frac{1}{2})(\frac{1-sin^2(\Theta/2}{\sin^2(\Theta/2)})$
\item =$\frac{1}{4\epsilon_0^2}\space I \rho t(\frac{zZe^2}{Mv^2})^2\cot^2(\Theta/2)$

\end{description}
\includegraphics{scattering}
\end{document}
 
Yeah, well, that's not what @renormalize meant :smile:

But when I compare your
starting from Rutherford formula $$dN=\left (\frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_0}\right )^2\;\pi I\rho t \left (\frac{zZe^2}{Mv^2}\right )^2\;\frac{1}{\sin^4(\Theta/2)}d\Omega$$
with the book:$$
N(\Theta)\, d\Theta =\left(\frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_0}\right )^2\;\left(\frac{zZe^2}{2Mv^2}\right )^2\;\frac{ I\rho t\; 2\pi \sin\Theta\ d\Theta}{\sin^4(\Theta/2)} \tag {4-7}$$
I see you have a factor ##4\pi ## too many.

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Re ##\LaTeX##: the button 'LaTex Guide' at the lower left gets you started. In PF you can insert formulas (in-line math and displayed math), but not complete documents.

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Problem n. 7 chapter 4 Eisberg Resnick "Quantum Physics"}​

Show that the number of ##\alpha## particles scattered by an angle ##\Theta## or greater in Rutherford scattering is
$$\left (\frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_0}\right)^{\!2}\pi I\rho t \left (\frac{zZe^2}{Mv^2}\right)^{\!2}\cot^2(\Theta/2)
$$

SOLUTION​

starting from Rutherford formula $$dN=\left (\frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_0}\right )^{\!2}\left(\frac{zZe^2}{2Mv^2}\right )^{\!2} I\rho t \;\frac{d\Omega}{\sin^4(\theta/2} \tag{4-7}
$$ with ##d\Omega=2\pi\sin(\Theta)d\Theta\ . \ \ ##Integrate ##(4{\text -}7)## from ##\Theta## to ##\pi##: $$

N=\left (\frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_0}\right )^{\!2}\;\left (\frac{zZe^2}{Mv^2}\right )^{\!2}\;\frac{ \pi I\rho t}{2}\; \int_\Theta^\pi\frac{sin(\theta)d\theta}{\sin^4(\theta/2)}
$$ let ##u=\theta/2\space;\space d\theta=2du\space;\space\sin(\Theta)=2\sin(\Theta/2)\cos(\Theta/2)\ \ \Rightarrow ## $$
\begin{align*}
\int_\Theta^\pi\frac{sin(\theta)d\theta}{\sin^4(\theta/2)}&=
4\int_{\Theta/2}^{\pi/2}\frac{\sin u\cos u \, du}{\sin^4 u}\\ \ \\ &=\
\left . \frac{-2}{\sin^2(u)}\ \right |_{\Theta/2}^{\pi/2} \ = -2 \left (1-\frac {1}{\sin^2(\Theta/2)}\right )
= 2\cot^2(\Theta/2)
\end{align*}
$$so that $$N = \left (\frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_0}\right )^{\!2}\;\left (\frac{zZe^2}{Mv^2}\right )^{\!2}\; \pi I\rho t\; \cot^2(\Theta/2)\ .$$as desired,

:wink: just practicing my ##\TeX## -- the answer was given away in #4 already

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BvU said:
Yeah, well, that's not what @renormalize meant :smile:

But when I compare your

with the book:$$
N(\Theta)\, d\Theta =\left(\frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_0}\right )^2\;\left(\frac{zZe^2}{2Mv^2}\right )^2\;\frac{ I\rho t\; 2\pi \sin\Theta\ d\Theta}{\sin^4(\Theta/2)} \tag {4-7}$$
I see you have a factor ##4\pi ## too many.

##\ ##
$d\Omega=2\pi\sin(\Theta)d\Theta$
It's coherent
 
Please use double-$$ signs for a display equation or double-## signs for an in-line equation, like $$d\Omega=2\pi\sin(\Theta)d\Theta$$:$$d\Omega=2\pi\sin(\Theta)d\Theta$$
 
baffetto59 said:
$d\Omega=2\pi\sin(\Theta)d\Theta$
It's coherent
No. It's wrong.

again: your
starting from Rutherford formula $$dN=(\frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_0})^2\pi I\rho t(\frac{zZe^2}{Mv^2})^2\frac{1}{\sin^4(\Theta/2)}d\Omega$$
has a ##\pi## too many in the numerator and misses a ##2^2## in the denominator when compared to ##(4{\text-}7)## in the book.

##\ ##
 
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Yes, thanks. I started from wrong formula.
 
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