Is the Expression an Integer When Rational Conditions Apply?

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The discussion centers on the mathematical problem involving positive integers \(a\), \(b\), and \(c\) where the expression \(\frac{a\sqrt{3}+b}{b\sqrt{3}+c}\) is rational. It is established that under these conditions, the expression \(\frac{a^2+b^2+c^2}{a+b+c}\) must be an integer. The solution was correctly provided by forum members Opalg and kaliprasad, demonstrating a clear understanding of rational expressions and integer properties.

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Given that $a,\,b,\,c$ are positive integers such that $\dfrac{a\sqrt{3}+b}{b\sqrt{3}+c}$ is a rational number.

Show that $\dfrac{a^2+b^2+c^2}{a+b+c}$ is an integer.

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Congratulations to the following members for their correct solution!(Cool)

1. Opalg
2. kaliprasad

Solution from Opalg:
If $\dfrac{a\sqrt3 + b}{b\sqrt3 + c} = r$ (rational), then $a\sqrt3 + b = r(b\sqrt3 + c)$, so $(a-rb)\sqrt3 = rc-b$. But $\sqrt3$ is irrational, and it follows that $a-rb = rc-b = 0$. Therefore $b = rc$ and $a = rb = r^2c$. Then $$\frac{a^2 + b^2 + c^2}{a+b+c} = \frac{r^4c^2 + r^2c^2 + c^2}{r^2c + rc + c} = \frac{(r^4+r^2+1)c}{r^2+r+1}.$$ But $r^4+r^2+1 = (r^2+r+1)(r^2-r+1)$. So $\dfrac{a^2 + b^2 + c^2}{a+b+c} = (r^2-r+1)c = a-b+c$, which is an integer.
 

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