Problem Physics I : gravitation

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the universal gravitational constant using the known parameters of the Earth, including its radius, density, and surface gravity. The context is rooted in gravitational physics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive the gravitational constant using the formula for gravitational force, questioning the necessity of a second mass in the calculation. Some participants explore the implications of assuming a mass of 1 kg and its effect on the result.

Discussion Status

Participants are engaged in clarifying the relationship between gravitational force and mass, with some guidance provided on the correct interpretation of the gravitational force in relation to the mass involved. There is an ongoing exploration of the assumptions made in the calculations.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted confusion regarding the role of the mass in the gravitational force equation and how it affects the calculation of the gravitational constant. The original problem statement does not explicitly mention the second mass, leading to questions about the completeness of the information provided.

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Homework Statement


Suppose that the Earth is a sphere with a radius of 6371 \text{ km} and that its uniform density is worth 5517 \text{ kg}/m^3. Suppose also that the acceleration of the gravity on its surface is g=9.80665 m/s^2. Calculate the value of the universal gravitation constant.
(The answer should be G=6.672 \cdot 10^{-11}Nm^2/kg^2.)


Homework Equations

F_g=\frac{GM_Em}{R_E^2}.



The Attempt at a Solution


Using simple very well known formulae, I could determine the mass of the Earth to be about 5.97 \cdot 10^{24}kg.
From F_g=\frac{GM_Em}{R_E^2} I got that G=\frac{R_E^2F_g}{M_Em}. Now the problem is that I got G=6.6607246 \cdot 10^{-11}m^3/(kg^2s^2)=6.6607246 \cdot 10^{-11}Nm^2/kg^2 as I should but I reached this because I supposed that in the formula m=1kg and the body whose mass is 1kg is on the ground of the Earth. Why do I reach the result when I supposed that there is a mass of 1kg on the ground? Because to use the formula you have to have 2 bodies, the Earth and another body. In my case I supposed it was a body with a mass of 1kg and it worked. But if it had a different mass the result would have been totally different. Also, there's no mention of another body (nor even the formula to calculate the universal gravitational constant) in the statement of the problem. I'm certainly missing plenty of things... Could you explain to me what I don't understand? Thanks in advance.
 
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Hi fluidistic,

fluidistic said:

Homework Statement


Suppose that the Earth is a sphere with a radius of 6371 \text{ km} and that its uniform density is worth 5517 \text{ kg}/m^3. Suppose also that the acceleration of the gravity on its surface is g=9.80665 m/s^2. Calculate the value of the universal gravitation constant.
(The answer should be G=6.672 \cdot 10^{-11}Nm^2/kg^2.)


Homework Equations

F_g=\frac{GM_Em}{R_E^2}.



The Attempt at a Solution


Using simple very well known formulae, I could determine the mass of the Earth to be about 5.97 \cdot 10^{24}kg.
From F_g=\frac{GM_Em}{R_E^2} I got that G=\frac{R_E^2F_g}{M_Em}. Now the problem is that I got G=6.6607246 \cdot 10^{-11}m^3/(kg^2s^2)=6.6607246 \cdot 10^{-11}Nm^2/kg^2 as I should but I reached this because I supposed that in the formula m=1kg and the body whose mass is 1kg is on the ground of the Earth. Why do I reach the result when I supposed that there is a mass of 1kg on the ground? Because to use the formula you have to have 2 bodies, the Earth and another body. In my case I supposed it was a body with a mass of 1kg and it worked. But if it had a different mass the result would have been totally different. Also, there's no mention of another body (nor even the formula to calculate the universal gravitational constant) in the statement of the problem. I'm certainly missing plenty of things... Could you explain to me what I don't understand? Thanks in advance.

What did you plug in for F_g when you solved for G? If you did that correctly I think you'll see why it doesn't matter what m is.
 
What did you plug in for LaTeX Code: F_g when you solved for LaTeX Code: G ? If you did that correctly I think you'll see why it doesn't matter what LaTeX Code: m is.
I plugged 9.80665m/s^2 for F_c. I know that there is "m" at the denominator but as it is a mass, its unit is not m but kg. So I still don't see why it doesn't matter what m is...
 
fluidistic said:
I plugged 9.80665m/s^2 for F_c. I know that there is "m" at the denominator but as it is a mass, its unit is not m but kg. So I still don't see why it doesn't matter what m is...

The value 9.80665m/s^2 is an acceleration so it can't be F_g. The force F_g is the gravitational force (weight) that the mass m experiences when it is at a place where the graviational acceleration is equal to g. So for a mass m at the surface of the earth, what would F_g be?
 
F_g=mg in that case! Thank you so much, I corrected the units and all work perfectly now.
 

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