Problem with proof of elastic energy

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around proving the formula for elastic energy, specifically the expression 0.5kx². The subject area pertains to the principles of mechanics, particularly the behavior of springs and energy conservation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the derivation of the elastic energy formula, with one individual expressing confusion about the relationship between force and elongation in springs. Another participant provides a mathematical approach involving work done on a spring and the concept of average force.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes attempts to clarify the derivation of the formula for elastic energy, with some participants providing insights into the relationship between force and displacement in springs. There is a mix of interpretations regarding the proof, but no explicit consensus has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the foundational concepts, such as the variable nature of force in springs and the integration required to derive the formula. The original poster and others reference the need for a deeper understanding of the work-energy principle in this context.

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Homework Statement


How do i prove 0.5kx2=elastic energy?


Homework Equations


0.5kx2=elastic energy
Energy in= Energy out

The Attempt at a Solution


I understand how to use the formula but what i don't understand is where the formula comes from. I am guessing it has to do with Fx=Kx but am unsure how K=F then.
 
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The work done can be expressed as

W=Fs

Where F is the force and s is the distance through which the force acts. Since we have a spring we can write this as

W=Fx

Where x is the elongation

Since the force F depends on the elongation (remember F.spring=kx. In other words, when we pull the spring the elongation gets larger and thus we are required to use an even larger force to pull the spring more), the averaga force acting through "x" is

F.average=(0+kx)/2Combining both expressions yields

W=0.5kx^2
 
thankyou very much problem solved i think i may stick around help afew people out here
 
ffrog said:

Homework Statement


How do i prove 0.5kx2=elastic energy?


Homework Equations


0.5kx2=elastic energy
Energy in= Energy out

The Attempt at a Solution


I understand how to use the formula but what i don't understand is where the formula comes from. I am guessing it has to do with Fx=Kx but am unsure how K=F then.

A more precise proof depends on understanding that W = F⋅S as mentioned.

With a spring, however, you have a variable force over the length of its application. So you must use then

PE = W = ∫ F⋅S ds

For F = -kx then

W = ∫ F⋅S ds = ∫ -kx dx = -1/2kx2 evaluated from 0 to x
 
i think i iwill stick with the first one its good enough for me but the secound one makes sense so thanks.
 

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