Problems that could occur in estimating n from a Binomial distribution

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenges of estimating the parameter n in a Binomial distribution, particularly in the context of a specific problem involving sample data. Participants explore potential issues related to sample size, data representation, and the nature of the estimates.

Discussion Character

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that problems in estimating n may relate to sample size.
  • Another participant questions the feasibility of estimates based on a specific data set, indicating potential issues with small theta and large n.
  • A later reply raises the concern that n might not be an integer, leading to the need for rounding estimates.
  • One participant clarifies that estimates do not necessarily have to be integers, indicating a different problem may be at play.
  • Another participant questions whether sample values should be treated as binary, depending on the success criterion, and seeks clarification on the nature of the data.
  • One participant argues that if binary results of n trials were provided, there would be no need to estimate n, as it could be counted directly, suggesting that the problem involves multiple samples of the binomial distribution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the data and the implications for estimating n. There is no consensus on the specific problems encountered in estimating n, as multiple competing perspectives are presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the estimation process may depend on the representation of data and the characteristics of the binomial distribution, including the implications of small theta and large n, but do not resolve these issues.

lintmintskint
Hi, I am doing the following question:

https://i.gyazo.com/f2e651334bcbd5f1dcb6d661e4160956.png

I have estimated both n and theta. But the part that is throwing me off is what problem could you encounter in estimating n here? My only idea is that it might be something to do with the sample size.

Any help? Thanks!
 
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Think of how your estimate would look like for e.g. (5,7,6,5,4,6,7,6,10,7,7). Is that possible?

Another issue arises for small theta and large n.
 
mfb said:
Think of how your estimate would look like for e.g. (5,7,6,5,4,6,7,6,10,7,7). Is that possible?

Another issue arises for small theta and large n.

Is the issue with the data set that you listed that n wouldn't be an integer? So we would have to round up or down to the nearest integer in some cases? Am I on the right track?
 
Well, it is an estimate, it doesn't have to be an integer. But that was not the problem I was thinking of.
 
I don't know if this is an obvious/dumb question, but, when we consider the sample mean ##\frac {1}{m}\Sigma_{i=1}^m x_i ## , do we consider ##x_i## as binary ( depending on the success criterion),
mfb said:
Think of how your estimate would look like for e.g. (5,7,6,5,4,6,7,6,10,7,7). Is that possible?

Another issue arises for small theta and large n.
I don't understand, aren't the sample values given in binary, i.e., as success failures? Or do we have to consider different criteria for this?
 
If we would be given the binary results of n trials, there would be no need to estimate n, we could simply count. As far as I understood the question, we get multiple samples of the binomial distribution, i. e. each number in my post is the number of successful attempts (out of an unknown n) in a series of attempts.
 
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