Product and intersection of ideals of polynomial ring

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the properties of ideals in the polynomial ring k[x,y,z,t], specifically examining the relationship between the product of two ideals, I and J, and their intersection. Participants are exploring the condition under which IJ equals I ∩ J, with a focus on proving the inclusion I ∩ J ⊆ IJ for this specific case.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states the goal of showing that IJ = I ∩ J, noting that one direction is trivial but struggling with the reverse inclusion.
  • Another participant mentions that k is an algebraically closed field, which may be relevant to the discussion.
  • A suggestion is made to prove a general case involving comaximal ideals, but a participant points out that this approach does not apply due to the specific nature of the ideals in the polynomial ring.
  • One participant proposes examining a polynomial g in I ∩ J, asserting that it must be expressible as a combination of terms from I and J.
  • It is noted that since g lies in I, all terms must be multiples of x or y, leading to a representation involving these variables.
  • Another participant deduces that g must also be a linear combination of z and (x-t) due to its membership in J, raising questions about the implications for g' and g'' in terms of their membership in I.
  • Further exploration of the terms g' and g'' suggests they could also be expressed in terms of x and y, but uncertainty remains about concluding their membership in I.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of general results about ideals to this specific case, and there is no consensus on how to proceed with the proof of the inclusion I ∩ J ⊆ IJ.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in applying general results about ideals to the specific context of polynomial rings, particularly regarding the structure of ideals in k[x].

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Let k[x,y,z,t] be the polynomial ring in four variables and let I=<x,y>, J=<z, x-t> be ideals of the ring.

I want to show that IJ=I \cap J and one direction is trivial. But proving I \cap J \subset IJ has stumped me so far. Anyone have any ideas?
 
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K is an algebraically closed field, of course.
 
Try to prove in general that if R is a unital ring and if I and J are ideals such that I+J=R (we say that I and J are comaximal), then IJ=I\cap J.
 
I have already proved that (and thought of that), but the problem is that these are ideals of a polynomial ring, so that if I+J=k[x] then either I or J IS k[x], otherwise you could not generate the scalars in the field.. (since k-field, it has no nontrivial ideals)

So this approach won't work. I want to show just this case, not prove the general statement of when the intersection of two ideals in poly ring is equal to their product.

I just need and argument for I intersect J \subset IJ for this particular case (I already know it is true, I just need to show it).

Thanks anyways micromass
 
OK, well, let's take a polynomial in g(x,y,z,t) in I\cap J. This polynomial must lie in I. This means that all the individual terms of the polynomial must be a multiple of x or of y. So you can write g(x,y,z,t)=xa(x,y,z,t)+yb(x,y,z,t). Now, g must also lie in J, what does that imply?
 
That it is a linear combination of z and (x-t), g=zg'+(x-t)g" for g',g" in k[x,y,z,t].

The question is what we do from there.

We know that g(0,0,z,t)=0 (because g in I) hence g(0,0,z,t)=zg'(0,0,z,t)-tg"(0,0,z,t)=0.

But from here can we conclude that g',g" are in I? I don't see how to do it..
 
So, let us look at zg^\prime+(x-t)g^{\prime\prime}. We know that each individual term of the polynomial must be divisble by x or y. So we can write g^\prime=xh+yh^\prime, can we not? And the same for g^{\prime\prime}.
 

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