Projecticle Motion: Clay or Rubber Ball?

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The discussion revolves around a scenario involving projectile motion, specifically comparing the effects of throwing a lump of clay versus a rubber ball at a door. Both objects have the same mass, but their interactions with the door differ, as the clay sticks while the rubber ball bounces off.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the concept of impulse and its relationship to momentum, questioning how the sticking behavior of the clay versus the bouncing behavior of the rubber ball affects the overall impulse applied to the door. There is discussion about the definitions of momentum and the relevance of change in momentum in this context.

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The discussion is active, with participants examining different aspects of impulse and momentum. Some have suggested that the clay will apply a larger impulse due to its longer contact time with the door, while others are clarifying definitions and equations related to momentum and impulse. There is no explicit consensus yet, but several lines of reasoning are being explored.

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Participants are encouraged to focus on the definitions and relationships between impulse and momentum without relying on projectile motion concepts. The discussion reflects a mix of understanding and uncertainty regarding the implications of the different interactions of the two projectiles.

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You want to close an open door by throwing either a 400-g lump of clay or a 400-g rubber ball toward it. You can throw either object with the same speed, but they are different in that the rubber ball bounces off the door while the clay just sticks to the door. Which projectile will apply the larger impulse to the door and be more likely to close it?
 
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What concepts might be useful here? (You can ignore projectile motion completely.)
 
impulse = F x T
and since they both have equal mass it doesn't matter except

the clay has a larger T value (since it sticks)
so the impulse is larger?

not sure
 
yes, impulse does equal F*t, but it also equals the change in momentum.
 
so the answer is the clay because it has a higher T value = higher momentum?
 
whoa... back up.
First of all: what's the definition of momentum?
Secomdly: are we interested in the momentum of the thrown object or itschange of momentum?

I'd suggest writing down all of the momentum and impulse equations for handy reference.
 
J = FΔt,
J = mΔv
J = P2 - P1
the ones I used/need to know i guess...

anyways I am interested in only the first part.
we are interested in the change of momentum.
so p2-p1 is higher for the clay because it sticks -> higher t.
 
meh i got it so the rubber ball will have a negative velocity while the clay will have equal velocity with the door.
 
to make it more explicit
P2-P1 becomes P2-(-P1) for the rubber ball and P2+P1 so it will have be much higher.
 
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I think you may have gotten it. State that momentum=mv and \Delta p=m_fv_f-m_iv_i, and I'll be a little more sure.

So in the end of the day, if you're trying to open a door and can't be bothered to get off the sofa, will you chuck the clay or the rubber ball?
 
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