Projectiles, Momentum, and work

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving projectile motion, momentum, and work. The original poster presents a scenario where a soccer ball is kicked at an angle, and its maximum height is calculated. Additionally, the problem involves a collision with a car on an incline, requiring momentum conservation analysis, and the calculation of work done against friction on the hill.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the maximum height of the soccer ball and share their results. Questions arise regarding the momentum of the soccer ball at the moment of collision with the car, particularly whether to consider its vertical or horizontal velocity. There is also exploration of the work done by friction, with some participants drawing free body diagrams and calculating forces involved.

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Some participants have confirmed similar results for the maximum height and are questioning the calculations for momentum and work. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct approach to the momentum problem, with differing interpretations of the initial conditions. Guidance has been offered regarding the conservation of momentum and the significance of the horizontal component of the ball's velocity.

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Participants note the importance of unit conversion and the implications of the soccer ball's motion at the top of its trajectory. There is also mention of the normal force and friction calculations, with varying results being discussed.

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Hey, i just wanted to check my answers with somebody on this question. It's an even number so i can't check with the back of the book, and my final is tomorrow. Here's the question:

A soccer ball is kicked 56 degress above the ground at an inital velocity of 12m/s. the mass of the soccer ball is 75 grams. what is the maximum height of the ball? I got 5.05 meters

A car is driving up a hill that's 40 degress above the horizontal. Mass of the car is 2000 kg, initial velocity of the car is 22m/s. The mew between the car and the hill is (.36). At 5.05 meters, the soccer ball collides inelastically with the car. What is the velocity of the car and the soccer ball together? I got 21.2m/s

Lastly. ignoring the soccer ball being attached to the car: the hypotenuse of the hill is 17m. How much work does friction remove from the system? I got -211837 Joules

They're not that hard...but i was wondering if anyone could help me out. THANKS!
 
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I also get 5.05 for that first part. But I get something different for the 2nd and 3rd parts... can you explain how you got the 2nd and 3rd parts?
 
okay, so for the second part (momentum) that the initial velocity of the ball is zero because it's at the top of it's motion as it hits the car...so then, all i had was the mass and velocity of the car= (added masses)(added velocities)
 
for the third part (the work) i just drew a free body diagram of the car...and found that the normal force is 34614 N. i found the force of friction with that information (friction force=12461.04), and then i used the work equation. and got -211837 Joules
 
blader324 said:
okay, so for the second part (momentum) that the initial velocity of the ball is zero because it's at the top of it's motion as it hits the car...so then, all i had was the mass and velocity of the car= (added masses)(added velocities)

You didn't convert the grams to kg.

Also, remember that the ball has a horizontal velocity... I think the trick for this problem is that momentum is conserved along the slope. So you'd get the component of the momentum of the soccer ball along the slope... then use conservation of momentum along the slope.

The thing is that the mass of the soccer ball is just 0.075 and makes little difference... the velocity I get after the collision is very slightly less than 22m/s. 21.999m/s. It's a strange question...
 
okay, so then would i use the 12m/s as the initial velocity for the ball for the momentum equation? because...the ball hits the car at the TOP of its motion, and doesn't that mean that the ball's velocity is zero?
 
blader324 said:
for the third part (the work) i just drew a free body diagram of the car...and found that the normal force is 34614 N. i found the force of friction with that information (friction force=12461.04), and then i used the work equation. and got -211837 Joules

I get 2000*9.8*cos40 = 15014N for the normal force
 
blader324 said:
okay, so then would i use the 12m/s as the initial velocity for the ball for the momentum equation? because...the ball hits the car at the TOP of its motion, and doesn't that mean that the ball's velocity is zero?

The vertical velocity is 0. But the horizontal velocity the same as what it was at the beginning which is 12*cos56 = 6.71m/s
 
okay...so the velocity doesn't change, and i just stick with the original component? as for the FBD, since the car isn't technically "accelerating" does that mean that i don't need to do a net force in the y direction=mass X acceleration in the y direction?
 
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blader324 said:
okay...so the velocity doesn't change, and i just stick with the original component? as for the FBD, since the car isn't technically "accelerating" does that mean that i don't need to do a net force in the y direction=mass X acceleration in the y direction?

By y direction do you mean perpendicular to the slope? Isn't that how you calculated the normal force? acceleration would be 0 so net force is 0.
 
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okay...so since the car isn't speeding up or slowing down, then the net forces in the y direction would be equal to zero?
 
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blader324 said:
okay...so since the car isn't speeding up or slowing down, then the net forces in the y direction would be equal to zero?

Yes that's correct.
 
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sweet...so then for the momentum problem i got 21.99 as the final velocity...and then the work...i got the normal force as 15014.47 and then the work done by friction as -91888.56 Joules...is that right?
 
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blader324 said:
sweet...so then for the momentum problem i got 21.99 as the final velocity...and then the work...i got the normal force as 15014.47 and then the work done by friction as -91888.56 Joules...is that right?

:smile: That's what I get also.
 
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THANK YOU SO MUCH! ugh...you saved me learningphysics...MUCHAS GRACIAS!
 
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blader324 said:
THANK YOU SO MUCH! ugh...you saved me learningphysics...MUCHAS GRACIAS!

:biggrin: You're welcome.
 

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