Projective Representations: a simple example

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The discussion revolves around finding a simple example of a projective representation of a small finite group, specifically one with an order not greater than six. Participants explore definitions, provide examples, and discuss the implications of projective representations in various contexts, including chemistry and group theory.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests a simple example of a projective representation, specifying a preference against direct product groups.
  • Another participant questions the definition of projective representation, suggesting it could refer to different concepts such as a surjective projection or a projective resolution.
  • A participant provides a mathematical expression defining a projective representation involving matrices and a phase factor.
  • References to literature and examples from chemistry are made, noting that projective representations appear in the context of "double groups" and permutation groups.
  • One participant mentions the Klein four-group, V4, as having a projective representation, but another points out that this example may contradict the initial request to avoid direct product groups.
  • A detailed explanation of the group multiplication table for V4 is provided, along with matrices that form a projective representation, demonstrating the relationship between group operations and matrix multiplication.
  • Another participant suggests that there may be simpler examples of projective representations, indicating ongoing exploration of the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definition and examples of projective representations. There is no consensus on a specific example that meets all criteria outlined in the initial request.

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The discussion includes various mathematical expressions and references to literature, which may require additional context for full understanding. Some assumptions about the definitions and properties of projective representations remain unresolved.

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Could anyone help with providing a simple example of a projective representation of a small finite group ( order of group not greater than six )?

My understanding is that, if the group has N elements, then I should see N matrices in the projective representation.

I would prefer the example to not involve a direct prduct group.

I have used nice simple groups, like C2v, in chemistry, this group has four elements.
 
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rocdoc said:
Could anyone help with providing a simple example of a projective representation of a small finite group ( order of group not greater than six )?

My understanding is that, if the group has N elements, then I should see N matrices in the projective representation.

I would prefer the example to not involve a direct prduct group.

I have used nice simple groups, like C2v, in chemistry, this group has four elements.
What do you mean by a projective representation? A (surjective) projection ##G \longrightarrow GL(V)## or a projective resolution of ##G## or ##GL(V)##?
 
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Hopefully the following helps with your question.

If the group is denoted by G and

$$g_1~ and ~g_2 $$are in G then we have, a projective representation of G if

$$M(g_1)M(g_2)=M(g_1g_2)e^{i\theta(g_1,g_2)}$$

With M meaning matrix.
 
In chemistry, the projective representations raise their head in the form of so called "double groups". There, the projective factors are avoided by introducing another group element "R". Also the permutation groups S_n have projective representations for S_n when n>=4.
 
The smallest example which I have found is
$$
\mathbb{Z}_2\, , \,\mathbb{Z}_3\; , \; \mathbb{Z}_2 \rtimes \mathbb{Z}_3 \longrightarrow PSL(2,\mathbb{F}_2)=SL(2,\mathbb{F}_2) = \mathcal{Sym}(3) = D_3 = \mathbb{Z}_2 \rtimes \mathbb{Z}_3
$$
With less finiteness conditions on the group it might be worth mentioning
$$
\mathbb{S}^1 \cong SO(2,\mathbb{R}) \cong U(1,\mathbb{C}) \cong \mathbb{P}(1,\mathbb{R}) \text{ (unit circle) } \\ \text{ and } \\ \mathbb{S}^2 \cong SO(3,\mathbb{R})/SO(2,\mathbb{R}) \cong \mathbb{P}(1,\mathbb{C}) \text{ (Riemann sphere) }
$$
and finite subgroups (reflections, rotations) of the unit circle or the 2-sphere will provide examples.
 
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An interesting example (https://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=676246) of a projective representation can be found for the Lie algebra ##\mathfrak{g}= \mathfrak{sl}(2,\mathbb{F})## with ##\mathbb{F}\in \{\mathbb{R},\mathbb{C}\}## but only because I don't remember the characteristic ##2## case and the centers need more care if other fields are involved. However, I assume that finite fields would work as well.

If we define the group ##\Gamma^°(\mathfrak{g})## of all ##\phi^* \otimes \psi^* \otimes \chi \in GL(\mathfrak{g}^*\otimes \mathfrak{g}^* \otimes \mathfrak{g})## such that ##[X,Y]= \chi([\phi(X),\psi(Y)])## for all ##X,Y \in \mathfrak{g}## then
$$
\Gamma^°(\mathfrak{g}) \cong PSL(2,\mathbb{F})
$$
which means the isometries of the Lie multiplication in ##\mathfrak{sl}(2,\mathbb{F})## have such a representation.
 
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It looks like the Klein four-group, V4 has a projective representation.
 
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rocdoc said:
It looks like the Klein four-group, V4 has a projective representation.
Yes, but you ruled out this example:
rocdoc said:
I would prefer the example to not involve a direct prduct group.
 
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The group multiplication table of V4 can be given as

$$\begin{array}{|c|c|c|c|c|}

\hline & e & a & b & c \\

\hline e & e & a & b & c \\

\hline a & a & e & c & b \\

\hline b & b & c & e & a \\

\hline c & c & b & a & e \\

\hline

\end{array} $$
If we have four matrices M(e),M(a),M(b),M(c) representing our group elements e,a,b,c, respectively.Then they form a matrix representation of our group if the "matrix multiplication table" has the same structure as the group multiplication table. I.E if we have

$$\begin{array}{|c|c|c|c|c|}

\hline & M\left( e \right) & M\left( a \right) & M\left( b \right) & M\left( c \right) \\

\hline M\left( e \right) & M\left( e \right) & M\left( a \right) & M\left( b \right) & M\left( c \right) \\

\hline M\left( a \right) & M\left( a \right) & M\left( e \right) & M\left( c \right) & M\left( b \right) \\

\hline M\left( b \right) & M\left( b \right) & M\left( c \right) & M\left( e \right) & M\left( a \right) \\

\hline M\left( c \right) & M\left( c \right) & M\left( b \right) & M\left( a \right) & M\left( e \right) \\ \hline \end{array}

$$
Where the matrix in a cell of the table body, is formed by multiplying on the left, the matrix shown at the top of a particular column, by the matrix shown in the leftmost column for a particular row, in the natural obvious way.

If we use the following matrices

$$M(e)=\begin{bmatrix}1 & 0 \\0 & 1 \end{bmatrix},M(a)=\begin{bmatrix}0 & -1 \\1 & 0 \end{bmatrix},M(b)=\begin{bmatrix}1 & 0 \\0 & -1 \end{bmatrix},M(c)=\begin{bmatrix}0 & 1 \\1 & 0 \end{bmatrix}$$

we find a matrix multiplication table as below

$$\begin{array}{|c|c|c|c|c|}

\hline & M\left( e \right) & M\left( a \right) & M\left( b \right) & M\left( c \right) \\

\hline M\left( e \right) & M\left( e \right) & M\left( a \right) & M\left( b \right) & M\left( c \right) \\

\hline M\left( a \right) & M\left( a \right) & -M\left( e \right) & M\left( c \right) & - M\left( b \right) \\

\hline M\left( b \right) & M\left( b \right) & - M\left( c \right) & M\left( e \right) & -M\left( a \right) \\

\hline M\left( c \right) & M\left( c \right) & M\left( b \right) & M\left( a \right) & M\left( e \right) \\ \hline \end{array}

$$

This shows that the matrices we are now using form a representation up to a phase, or a projective representation.
 
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Been thinking, just a little, not a lot. There seem to be much simpler examples.
 
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