Proof about m/nth root of a prime.

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The discussion revolves around the proof concerning the irrationality of the m/nth root of a prime number, where m and n are coprime integers. Participants explore the implications of assuming a rational representation of this root and the resulting contradictions that arise from the properties of prime numbers and coprimality.

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  • One participant proposes a proof by contradiction, assuming that the m/nth root of a prime can be expressed as a rational number, leading to a series of factorization arguments.
  • Another participant challenges the proof by suggesting that if P^m = x^n/y^n, then x/y must be a prime, which contradicts the assumption that x and y are coprime.
  • Multiple participants seek clarification on the mathematical steps, particularly the transition from P^m to x^n/y^n.
  • There is acknowledgment of contradictions arising from the properties of primes and coprimality, but the exact implications remain debated.

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Participants express differing views on the validity of the proof and the implications of the assumptions made. There is no consensus on the correctness of the proof or the interpretations of the steps involved.

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Some participants note potential errors in the mathematical expressions used, particularly regarding the operations involving x and y. The discussion highlights the complexity of the proof and the need for careful consideration of definitions and assumptions.

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Lets take a prime number and raise it to m/n where m and n are coprime. x,y are coprime
and I want to show that this is irrational.
Proof: let's assume for the sake of contradiction that
[itex]P^{\frac{m}{n}}=\frac{x}{y}[/itex]
P is prime and m,n,x,y are integers.
no we take both sides to the nth power and then multiply the y term over.
[itex]y^n P^m=x^n[/itex]
now we factor y and x into their prime factorization.
[itex]{p^a...{P_{t}}^b}^n P^m={{P_{q}}^c...}^n[/itex]
okay so if the left side is equal to the right side.
on the left side we know that P has at least m factors, but if P is also contained
in y then it has m+n factors. but if x and y are coprime then x has no common factors with y so y can't have factors of P in it. so now if x contains multiples of P , in order to have the same amount of factors it must be true that ne=m where e is the number of factors of P in x.
but this would imply that m and n are not coprime therefore this is a contradiction and our original number is irrational.
 
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Hey cragar.

The thing I see is that when you get Pm = xn/yn, then it means that (x/y) have to be a prime since primes have no factors other than 1 or itself. But the only way for this to happen is if x and y are not co-prime and also relevant powers of that prime.

Thus you have a contradiction and you have proved the result that there exists no rational form given x and y are co-prime. Also because we are dealing with a prime, we know that the RHS of the above must be an integer and also that it has a particular decomposition since primes only have factors of 1 and itself.

Edit: Correction should have been / instead of *
 
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how did you get [itex]p^m=x^ny^n[/itex]
 
cragar said:
how did you get [itex]p^m=x^ny^n[/itex]

Sorry, I've changed it: should have been / instead of *
 
okay I see, you that is also a contradiction too and right off the bat.
 

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