Proof by induction? No Idea what I should do :(

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The discussion revolves around proving a mathematical statement by induction, specifically focusing on the sum of squares with alternating signs. Participants are exploring the formulation of the general rule and the steps necessary for the proof, including simplifications and the application of induction.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a sequence of equations and expresses uncertainty about whether they are on the correct path towards finding a general rule for proof by induction.
  • Another participant suggests that the formula should involve \( n^2 \) instead of \( n^n \) and recommends simplifying the right side using the formula for the sum of the first \( n \) numbers.
  • A different participant proposes a specific equation involving the sum of squares and asks if it holds for some value of \( k \), suggesting to test it for \( k = 1 \) and then to consider \( k + 1 \).
  • Another participant acknowledges previous errors in their attempts and agrees with a proposed equation, indicating that it holds true for \( k = 1 \) and outlines the next steps for proving it for \( k + 1 \).
  • One participant emphasizes the need to simplify the right side of the equation to complete the proof.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correctness of their initial formulations, as there are multiple competing views on the correct approach and formulation of the proof. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the final proof and simplifications needed.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the clarity of the initial equations presented, and participants express uncertainty about the correctness of their approaches and the necessary steps for simplification.

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find the general rule and prove by induction

1 = 1
1 - 4 = -(1 + 2)
1 - 4 + 9 = 1 + 2 + 3
1 - 4 + 9 -16 = -(1 + 2 + 3 + 4)

I created this so far, but don't know if I am even going the correct direction

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FriendlyCashew said:
find the general rule and prove by induction

1 = 1
1 - 4 = -(1 + 2)
1 - 4 + 9 = 1 + 2 + 3
1 - 4 + 9 -16 = -(1 + 2 + 3 + 4)

I created this so far, but don't know if I am even going the correct direction

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You have the correct formula, except that $n^n$ should be $n^2$. I think your next step should be to simplify the right side of the formula by using the formula (which you probably know?) for the sum of the numbers $1$ to $n$. After that, you should be able to apply the method of induction.
 
FriendlyCashew said:
find the general rule and prove by induction

1 = 1
1 - 4 = -(1 + 2)
1 - 4 + 9 = 1 + 2 + 3
1 - 4 + 9 -16 = -(1 + 2 + 3 + 4)

I created this so far, but don't know if I am even going the correct direction

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Actually, I think what you want is
[math]\sum_{n = 1}^k (-1)^{n - 1} n^2 = (-1)^{k + 1} \sum_{n = 1}^k n[/math]

Does this work for some value of k? (Sure, try k = 1.) So if it works for k, does it work for k + 1?

-Dan
 
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Is this correct?
 
FriendlyCashew said:
find the general rule and prove by induction

1 = 1
1 - 4 = -(1 + 2)
1 - 4 + 9 = 1 + 2 + 3
1 - 4 + 9 -16 = -(1 + 2 + 3 + 4)

I created this so far, but don't know if I am even going the correct direction

View attachment 10459
The equation that you are trying to prove by induction is $$\sum_{n = 1}^k (-1)^{n - 1} n^2 = (-1)^{k + 1} \sum_{n = 1}^k n$$. Your first attempt at this was wrong, and so was mine (sorry about that). But topsquark got it right. The next step is to use the fact that $$ \sum_{n = 1}^k n = \frac12k(k+1)$$. So you want to prove that $$\sum_{n = 1}^k (-1)^{n - 1} n^2 = \frac12(-1)^{k + 1}k(k+1)$$. That equation is true when $k=1$ because both sides are then equal to $1$.

Now suppose that the equation is true for $k$. You want to show that it is also true for $k+1$, namely that $$\sum_{n = 1}^{k+1} (-1)^{n - 1} n^2 = \frac12(-1)^{k + 2}(k+1)(k+2)$$. On the left side of the equation, that differs from the previous equation just by the addition of one extra term $(-1)^k(k+1)^2$. So starting with the known equation $$ \sum_{n = 1}^k (-1)^{n - 1} n^2 = \frac12(-1)^{k + 1}k(k+1)$$, add $(-1)^k(k+1)^2$ to each side to get $$\sum_{n = 1}^{k+1} (-1)^{n - 1} n^2 = \frac12(-1)^{k + 1}k(k+1) + (-1)^k(k+1)^2$$.

Now can you simplify the right side of that equation to complete the proof?
 

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