Proof of Semisimple Modules: Finite Summands & Finite Generation

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The discussion revolves around the proof concerning semisimple modules, specifically addressing the relationship between finite generation and the finiteness of summands in a direct sum representation of a semisimple module. Participants seek clarification on the argument presented in the proof regarding how finitely generated modules imply a finite number of summands.

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  • One participant requests help understanding the proof that if a semisimple module M is finitely generated, then the number of summands in its direct sum representation is finite.
  • Another participant asserts that the conclusion follows from the definition of a finitely generated module.
  • A participant expresses confusion about a specific argument in their notes, seeking further clarification on the details of the proof.
  • One suggestion is to prove the contrapositive, indicating that an infinite direct sum of copies of a non-zero module cannot be finitely generated.
  • Participants discuss the implications of the definitions of direct sums and finitely generated modules in relation to the proof.
  • There is a focus on how each generator of the module can be expressed in terms of a finite number of summands from the direct sum, leading to the conclusion that the family generating M must be finite.
  • Clarification is provided that the family generates M in the sense that their sum equals M, as M is generated by the specified elements.

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Participants generally agree on the definitions involved but express differing levels of understanding regarding the specific arguments and details of the proof. Some points remain contested or unclear, particularly concerning the implications of the definitions and the structure of the proof.

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Participants reference definitions such as "direct sum" and "finitely generated" without fully resolving the implications of these definitions in the context of the proof. There are unresolved details in the argument that some participants find unclear.

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Can somebody help me with the following proof:

Let M be a semisimple module, say M = +_IS_i, where + denotes direct sum and S_i is a simple module.
Then the number of summands is finite if and only of M is finitely generated.

I have problem with understanding the proof of the following in my notes:

if M is finitely generated then the number of summands is finite

Can somebody help me in this argument.
 
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This follows immediately from the definition of a "finitely generated" module.
 
I know that it is quite clear but still there is an argument which I don't understand and I somebody can help me with this, I will be greatful.
 
What argument, exactly?
 
try proving the contrapositive, that if M is any non zero module, that an infinite direct sum of copies of M cannot be finitely generated.

recall the definition of direct sum, and in particular that only a finite number of summands can occur in each element of a direct sum.
 
Ok the argument for this theorem in my notes which I don't understand is:

Let M be finitely generated by u_1,...,u_r say. For each u_j we can find finitely many terms S_i whose sum contains u_j. Hence all the u_j are contained in the sum of a finite subfamily of the S_i and this family generates M so that I must be finite.

I don't understand details of this so it will be good if you can help me with the details. Thanks.
 
mathwonk, I have a proof of this which I don't understand.
 
peteryellow said:
Ok the argument for this theorem in my notes which I don't understand is:

Let M be finitely generated by u_1,...,u_r say. For each u_j we can find finitely many terms S_i whose sum contains u_j. Hence all the u_j are contained in the sum of a finite subfamily of the S_i and this family generates M so that I must be finite.

I don't understand details of this so it will be good if you can help me with the details. Thanks.
If you understand the appropriate definitions ("direct sum" and "finitely generated"), then the details will be crystal clear.
 
Nut why is it true that this family generates M
 
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It generates it in the sense that its sum is M. (And this is true because M is generated, as a module, by u_1, ..., u_r.)
 
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Thanks a lot
 

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