Graduate Proof of the inequality of a reduced basis

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The discussion focuses on proving an inequality related to LLL-reduced bases, specifically showing that for a given basis vector \( b_i \), the distance from the span of the other basis vectors \( H \) satisfies \( 2^{-n(n-1)/4}||b_i|| \leq dist(H,b_i) \leq || b_i || \). One participant presents an argument for the right side of the inequality, using the orthogonal component \( \tilde{b_i} \) to establish that \( dist(H,b_i) \leq ||b_i|| \). However, they struggle to prove the left side of the inequality using the provided hint related to the determinant of the lattice. The conversation reveals that the relationship \( dist(H,b_i) = ||\tilde{b_i}|| \) is confirmed as correct, which aids in deriving the required inequality. Overall, the discussion emphasizes the complexity of proving the left side of the inequality while validating the reasoning behind the right side.
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For ##1 \leq i \leq n## concider ##H = span(b_1,...,b_{i-1},b_{i+1},...,b_n)##. Show that ##2^{-n(n-1)/4}||b_i|| \leq dist(H,b_i) \leq || b_i ||##. Hint use ##\prod ||b_i|| \leq 2^{n(n-1)/4} det(\Lambda)##. Own reasoning below.

I would like to show that a LLL-reduced basis satisfies the following property (Reference):

For ##1 \leq i \leq n## concider ##H = span(b_1,...,b_{i-1},b_{i+1},...,b_n)##. Show that ##2^{-n(n-1)/4}||b_i|| \leq dist(H,b_i) \leq || b_i ||##. Hint use ##\prod ||b_i|| \leq 2^{n(n-1)/4} det(\Lambda)##.



My Idea:
I also have a first approach for the part ##dist(H,b_i) \leq || b_i ||## of the inequality, which I want to present here based on a picture, which is used to explain my thought:

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So based on the picture we can see that the norm of the orthogonal part (##\tilde{b_i}##) of the vector ##b_i## gives the distance. Therefor I would argue that ##dist(H,b_i) = ||\tilde{b_i}||## and further ##||\tilde{b_i}|| \leq ||b_i||## since the norm of a Gram-Schmidt vector is less than the norm of the regular vector. If I put this together it makes for me a valid argument to say ##dist(H,b_i) \leq || b_i ||##. This would prove one part of the inequality.



Problem:
However I do not manage to show ##2^{-n(n-1)/4}||b_i|| \leq dist(H,b_i)## with the specific hint. There are other useful properties of an reduced basis (see e.g. the reference) with which it is easier to show, but with the hint there I have no idea. This brings me to the question, if someone here might have an idea.



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This is not a homework exercise, it's just a question I'm thinking about for myself...
 
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I wanted to ask again if anyone would consider my reasoning to be correct? Or can someone contradict that?
 
Do you know how ##\det(\Lambda)## is built up by computing ##||\tilde{b_i}||##s?
 
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Hey @Office_Shredder, If I remember correctly, it was this: ##\det(\Lambda) = \prod_{i=1}^n ||\tilde{b_i}||##
 
That's really the only clever piece. I'll put the rest in spoilers but it's just doing the right algebra, so you should give it a shot yourself.

plugging this into
##\prod ||| b_j|| \leq 2^{n(n-1)/4} \det(\Lambda)##

##\prod ||b_j|| \leq 2^{n(n-1)/4} \prod ||\tilde{b_j}||##

For each ## j\neq i##, ##||\tilde{b_j}|| \leq ||b_j||##. Apply this to the right hand side to get

##\prod ||b_j|| \leq 2^{n(n-1)/4} ||\tilde{b_i}|||\prod_{j\neq i} ||b_j||##

Cancel all the norms left on both sides
 
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Hey @Office_Shredder, then in the end remains: ##2^{-n(n-1)/4}||b_i|| \leq ||\tilde{b_i}||##.

But with my thought above that ##dist(H,b_i) = ||\tilde{b_i}||##, we can derive the required inequality (left side). But this assumes that ##dist(H,b_i) = ||\tilde{b_i}||## is right, and I'am not sure, can you confim that this is right?
 
You are correct.
 
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Nice! Then thank you very much!

I must say, unconsciously I was able to show the inequality also over another property of the reduced basis (The hint has complicated this however rather :) ).
 

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