MHB Proof of the strong maximum principle

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The discussion focuses on the proof of the strong maximum principle, which states that if a function satisfies Laplace's equation in an open set and achieves its maximum at both the boundary and an interior point, then the function must be constant. Participants explore the implications of the mean value property and the behavior of the function around the maximum point. They discuss how the average value of the function on circles centered at the maximum must equal the maximum value, leading to the conclusion that all values must equal the maximum. The conversation emphasizes the importance of continuity and the properties of harmonic functions in reaching this conclusion. Understanding these principles is crucial for solidifying the proof of the strong maximum principle.
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Hey! :o

I am looking at the proof of the strong maximum principle:
If a function $u$ satisfies the Laplace's equation at the open space $D$ and is continuous at the boundary $\partial{D}$ and achieves its maximum at $\partial{D}$ and at a point of $D$ then the function is a constant.

which is the following:

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$x_M$ : the point where the function achieves its maximum

$x_M \in D$

$u(x) \leq u(x_M)=M, \forall x \in D$

$u(x)=u(x_M), \forall \text{ choice of circle }$

(Thinking)

I am facing some difficulties understanding this proof.. (Worried)

So, we take a circle with center $x_M$.

Then from the mean value property we have that:
$$u(x_M)=\frac{1}{2 \pi a} \int_{| \overrightarrow{r'}|=a}{u(\overrightarrow{r'})}ds$$

We consider that $x_M \in D$ is the point at which $u$ achieves its maximum, so
$$u(x) \leq u(x_M)=M, \ \ \ \forall x \in D$$

So, we have the following:

$$M=u(x_M)=\frac{1}{2 \pi a} \int_{| \overrightarrow{r'}|=a}{u(\overrightarrow{r'})}ds$$

But since the integral is at the boundary $\partial{D}$, and we have supposed that $M$ is the maximum of all points at $D$, we cannot say that
$$M=u(x_M)=\frac{1}{2 \pi a} \int_{| \overrightarrow{r'}|=a}{u(\overrightarrow{r'})}ds \leq \frac{1}{2 \pi a} \int_{| \overrightarrow{r'}|=a}{M}ds$$
right??

How can I continue then to show that the function is constant?? (Wondering)
 

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Hey! (Mmm)

mathmari said:
But since the integral is at the boundary $\partial{D}$, and we have supposed that $M$ is the maximum of all points at $D$, we cannot say that
$$M=u(x_M)=\frac{1}{2 \pi a} \int_{| \overrightarrow{r'}|=a}{u(\overrightarrow{r'})}ds \leq \frac{1}{2 \pi a} \int_{| \overrightarrow{r'}|=a}{M}ds$$
right??

Sure you can, but it doesn't help you. (Wasntme)
How can I continue then to show that the function is constant?? (Wondering)

Do something with Laplace's equation? (Thinking)
 
I like Serena said:
Sure you can, but it doesn't help you. (Wasntme)

I thought I could it as followed:

$$M=u(x_M)=\frac{1}{2 \pi a} \int_{| \overrightarrow{r'}|=a}{u(\overrightarrow{r'})}ds \leq \frac{1}{2 \pi a} \int_{| \overrightarrow{r'}|=a}{M}ds = \frac{M}{2 \pi a} \int_{| \overrightarrow{r'}|=a}ds =M$$

So the symbol $\leq$ should be $=$, so $u=M$.

Is this wrong?? (Wondering)

I like Serena said:
Do something with Laplace's equation? (Thinking)

What could I do?? (Wondering)
 
mathmari said:
I thought I could it as followed:

$$M=u(x_M)=\frac{1}{2 \pi a} \int_{| \overrightarrow{r'}|=a}{u(\overrightarrow{r'})}ds \leq \frac{1}{2 \pi a} \int_{| \overrightarrow{r'}|=a}{M}ds = \frac{M}{2 \pi a} \int_{| \overrightarrow{r'}|=a}ds =M$$

So the symbol $\leq$ should be $=$, so $u=M$.

Is this wrong?? (Wondering)

It is correct, but you are restating something you already know.
The left hand side is equivalent to the right hand side. (Wasntme)
What could I do?? (Wondering)

Well... you could for instance write down Laplace's equation in polar coordinates, separate the variables, add the boundary condition that the function of angle has period $2\pi$... (Wondering)
 
I like Serena said:
Well... you could for instance write down Laplace's equation in polar coordinates, separate the variables, add the boundary condition that the function of angle has period $2\pi$... (Wondering)

$$u_{rr}+\frac{1}{r}u_r+\frac{1}{r^2}u_{\theta \theta}=0 ,\ \ \ 0 \leq \theta \leq 2 \pi, \ \ \ 0 \leq r \leq a$$

Applying the method of separation of variables, the solution is of the form $u(r, \theta)=R(r) \Theta(\theta)$

the boundary condition that the function of angle has period $2\pi$:
$u(a,\theta)=h(\theta), h(\theta)=h(2 \pi + \theta)$

The solution is the following:
$$u(r, \theta)=\sum_{n=0}^{\infty} [A_n \cos{(n \theta)}+B_n \sin{(n \theta)}]r^n \Rightarrow \dots \Rightarrow \\ u(r, \theta)=\frac{a^2-r^2}{2 \pi} \int_0^{2 \pi} \frac{h(\phi)}{a^2+r^2-2ar \cos{(\theta-\phi)}}d \phi$$

Do I have to use the last formula?? (Wondering)
 
mathmari said:
$$u_{rr}+\frac{1}{r}u_r+\frac{1}{r^2}u_{\theta \theta}=0 ,\ \ \ 0 \leq \theta \leq 2 \pi, \ \ \ 0 \leq r \leq a$$

Applying the method of separation of variables, the solution is of the form $u(r, \theta)=R(r) \Theta(\theta)$

the boundary condition that the function of angle has period $2\pi$:
$u(a,\theta)=h(\theta), h(\theta)=h(2 \pi + \theta)$

The solution is the following:
$$u(r, \theta)=\sum_{n=0}^{\infty} [A_n \cos{(n \theta)}+B_n \sin{(n \theta)}]r^n \Rightarrow \dots \Rightarrow \\ u(r, \theta)=\frac{a^2-r^2}{2 \pi} \int_0^{2 \pi} \frac{h(\phi)}{a^2+r^2-2ar \cos{(\theta-\phi)}}d \phi$$

Do I have to use the last formula?? (Wondering)

Now that you mentioned it, didn't you have a proof (using that formula) that the average of the boundary is equal to u(0)?
Perhaps you can use that. (Thinking)
 
I like Serena said:
Now that you mentioned it, didn't you have a proof (using that formula) that the average of the boundary is equal to u(0)?
Perhaps you can use that. (Thinking)

Yes, when we have a circle with center at $0$.

At the post #1, I took a circle with center at $x_M$, and then the average of the boundary is equal to
$$u(x_M)=\frac{1}{2 \pi a} \int_{| \overrightarrow{r'}|=a}{u(\overrightarrow{r'})}ds$$
 
Since $u$ achieves its maximum at $\partial{D}$ and at a point of $D$, do we maybe have to suppose that $M$ is the maximum of all points at $D$ and at $\partial{D}$?? (Wondering)

Then it would be as followed:

We take a circle with center $x_M$.

Then from the average of the boundary we have that:
$$u(x_M)=\frac{1}{2 \pi a} \int_{| \overrightarrow{r'}|=a}{u(\overrightarrow{r'})}ds$$

We consider that $x_M \in \overline{D}$ is the point at which $u$ achieves its maximum, so
$$u(x) \leq u(x_M)=M, \ \ \ \forall x \in \overline{D}$$

($\overline{D}=D \cup \partial{D}$)

So, we have the following:

$$M=u(x_M)=\frac{1}{2 \pi a} \int_{| \overrightarrow{r'}|=a}{u(\overrightarrow{r'})}ds \leq \frac{1}{2 \pi a} \int_{| \overrightarrow{r'}|=a}{M}ds$$

Can we continue from here?? (Worried)
Or should I use the average of the boundary in an other way?? (Thinking)
 
Since you can use the proposition that the value at the center is equal to the average at a circular boundary, it follows that all values at any circle around the center must be $M$... (Thinking)
 
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I like Serena said:
Since you can use the proposition that the value at the center is equal to the average at a circular boundary, it follows that all values at any circle around the center must be $M$... (Thinking)

I got stuck right now... (Worried)
Could you explain me further this implication?? (Thinking)
 
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mathmari said:
I got stuck right now... (Worried)
Could you explain me further this implication?? (Thinking)

I think it is like this.

Suppose we start with this point $x_M$ and draw a very small circle around it.
Since $x_M$ belongs to the interior of $D$, there must be a radius $r$ such that the circle fall entirely within $D$.

According to the Poisson kernel for the polar Laplace's equation, the value of $u$ at the center is the same as the average value of $u$ on a circle around that center.
Or isn't it? (Thinking)

So the values on our small circle should be sometimes lower than $u(x_M)$ and sometimes higher than $u(x_M)$ in such a way that the differences cancel out on average, giving an average of just $u(x_M)=M$.

However, since $M$ is actually the maximum on $D$, it follows that no value on the circle can be higher than $M$. And since the average has to come out as $M$, no value can be lower than $M$.
Therefore, each value on our small circle must have value $M$.
Or am I wrong? (Thinking)(Thinking)
 
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I like Serena said:
According to the Poisson kernel for the polar Laplace's equation, the value of $u$ at the center is the same as the average value of $u$ on a circle around that center.
Or isn't it? (Thinking)

Yes, it is like that! (Yes)

I like Serena said:
So the values on our small circle should be sometimes lower than $u(x_M)$ and sometimes higher than $u(x_M)$ in such a way that the differences cancel out on average, giving an average of just $u(x_M)=M$.

However, since $M$ is actually the maximum on $D$, it follows that no value on the circle can be higher than $M$. And since the average has to come out as $M$, no value can be lower than $M$.
Therefore, each value on our small circle must have value $M$.
Or am I wrong? (Thinking)(Thinking)

Ahaa... (Thinking) If there were values that are lower than $M$, would the average be lower than $M$??
 
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mathmari said:
Ahaa... (Thinking) If there were values that are lower than $M$, would the average be lower than $M$??

Any value lower than $M$ would pull the average down (assuming $u$ is continuous)... (Nod)
 
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I like Serena said:
Any value lower than $M$ would pull the average down (assuming $u$ is continuous)... (Nod)

Ahaa...Ok! I understand! Thank you very much! (Mmm)
 

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