Proof of the total probability rule for expected value?

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The discussion revolves around proving the total probability rule for expected value, specifically the equation E(X) = E(X|S)P(S) + E(X|S_c)P(S_c), where X is a random variable and S is a scenario influencing X's likelihood.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are exploring the definition of expected value E(X) and discussing the need for a mathematical definition to support the proof. There are inquiries about the properties of probability and conditional expectations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants questioning the definitions and properties needed for a mathematical proof. Some participants suggest that the formula may seem obvious and emphasize the importance of definitions and properties in establishing a proof.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the need for definitions of E(X|S) and E(X|S_c), as well as the relationship between probabilities P(S) and P(S_c). The discussion hints at the necessity of including foundational concepts such as conditional probability.

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Homework Statement


Does anyone know of a simple proof for this: https://s30.postimg.org/tw9cjym9t/expect.png

E(X) = E(X|S)P(S) + E(X|S_c)P(S_c)

X is a random variable,
S is an a scenario that affects the likelihood of X. So P(S) is the probability of the scenario occurring and and P(S_c) is the probability of the scenario not occurring

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How do you define ##E(X)##?
 
PeroK said:
How do you define ##E(X)##?

the expected value of the random variable X; the probability weighted average of the possible outcomes of X
 
theone said:
the expected value of the random variable X; the probability weighted average of the possible outcomes of X

You can't prove anything with just words. You need a mathematical definition.
 
PeroK said:
You can't prove anything with just words. You need a mathematical definition.

Do you mean this:
##E(X) = \sum_{i} X_i P(X_i)##
 
theone said:
Do you mean this:
##E(X) = \sum_{i} X_i P(X_i)##

If you have some properties for ##P## you could take it from there.
 
Not sure about a mathematical proof, but doesn't that formula just state the obvious? Perhaps putting it into words makes it clearer.

The expected value of X is the sum of the expected value of X when S happens multiplied by the probability that S happens plus the expected value of X when S doesn't happen times the probability of S not happening.

Because S happening and S not happening are mutually exclusive you can just add the two values together.

For a mathematical proof, you'd probably want to include your definition of E(X), the fact that P(S) + P(S') = 1, and the basic conditional probability formula (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conditional_probability)

Then go from there.
 
theone said:
Do you mean this:
##E(X) = \sum_{i} X_i P(X_i)##

You need formulas for ##E(X|S)## and ##E(X|S_c)##. Do you know what they are?
 

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