Proof that T is bounded below with ##inf T = 2M##

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The discussion revolves around proving that the set T is bounded below with the infimum of T being equal to 2M, where T is defined in relation to another set S. The subject area includes concepts from real analysis, particularly the properties of infimum and boundedness.

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  • The original poster attempts two proofs regarding the relationship between the sets S and T, questioning the validity of their reasoning. Some participants question the assumptions made about the finiteness of S and the validity of manipulating the infimum. Others suggest directly verifying whether 2M serves as a lower bound for T.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's proofs, providing feedback on their validity and suggesting alternative approaches. There is a focus on clarifying definitions and ensuring that the assumptions about the sets are properly addressed. No explicit consensus has been reached, but there are productive directions being explored.

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There are concerns regarding the finiteness of the set S and the implications this has on the proofs presented. Additionally, the discussion touches on the need for a clear understanding of the properties of infimum and lower bounds in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement
I have found two alternative proofs to the solutions of the problem below so I am wondering whether my proofs are valid.
Relevant Equations
##inf T = 2M##
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My first solution is

Let
##S = \{x_1, x_2, x_3, ..., x_n\}##
##T = \{2x_1, 2x_2, 2x_3, ... 2x_n\}##
##T = 2S##

Therefore, ##inf T = inf 2S = 2inf S = 2M##

May someone please know whether this counts as a proof?

My second solution is,

##x ≥ M##
##2x ≥ 2M##
##y ≥ 2M## (Letting y = 2M)

Let ##inf T = N##
Therefore by using definition of infimum,
##N ≥ K## where ##K## is a lower bound
Let ##K = \frac{x}{n}## where ##n > 1##
Suppose ##N = 2M##
##N ≥ K##
##N ≥ \frac{x}{n}##
##2M ≥ \frac{x}{n}##

However, I am unsure where to go from here.

Any help greatly appreciated - Chiral.
 
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The first proof is invalid, because it is not given that S is finite (or countable).

Your aim is to show that 2M = 2\inf S is the infimum of T = \{ 2x: x \in S\}. Do it directly: is 2M a lower bound for T? If b > 2M, is b a lower bound for T?
 
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Your goal is to show that for all ##t\in T##, ##2M\leq t##.
 
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ChiralSuperfields said:
Homework Statement: I have found two alternative proofs to the solutions of the problem below so I am wondering whether my proofs are valid.
Relevant Equations: ##inf T = 2M##

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My first solution is

Let
##S = \{x_1, x_2, x_3, ..., x_n\}##
##T = \{2x_1, 2x_2, 2x_3, ... 2x_n\}##
##T = 2S##

Therefore, ##inf T = inf 2S = 2inf S = 2M##

May someone please know whether this counts as a proof?

My second solution is,

##x ≥ M##
##2x ≥ 2M##
##y ≥ 2M## (Letting y = 2M)

Let ##inf T = N##
Therefore by using definition of infimum,
##N ≥ K## where ##K## is a lower bound
Let ##K = \frac{x}{n}## where ##n > 1##
Suppose ##N = 2M##
##N ≥ K##
##N ≥ \frac{x}{n}##
##2M ≥ \frac{x}{n}##

However, I am unsure where to go from here.

Any help greatly appreciated - Chiral.
For one, whether ##2x >x## will depend on the sign of ##x##. ##8>4##, but not so for ##-2, -1##.
 
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The first argument does not count since that's what you have to prove in the first place. Why can you pull the ##2## in front of the infimum?

Either way ##2M## is clearly a lower bound for ##T## and by assumption we can find ## x\in S ## satisfying ##x<M+\frac{\varepsilon}{2}##, hence ##T\ni 2x < 2M+\varepsilon ##.
 
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