Propagator using Functional QFT

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the propagator for a scalar field theory using a functional representation. Participants explore the calculation of the two-point correlation function and the use of wave functionals in this context, with a focus on the mathematical formulation and underlying assumptions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes computing the propagator as the amplitude to transition between states, suggesting the use of the ground state of the scalar field and a complete set of states.
  • Another participant suggests that for a free scalar field, the propagator can be expressed in terms of the vacuum expectation value of field operators and introduces the concept of a complete set of eigenstates.
  • A different participant expresses confusion regarding the initial approach and references external material for clarification.
  • One participant indicates a desire to avoid the generating functional approach and focuses on the wave functional representation, detailing their work with the lowering operator and the resulting expression for the ground state wave functional.
  • Another participant questions the feasibility of the proposed method and suggests caution regarding the use of a coherent-state basis, noting its overcompleteness and the need for compensating factors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the approach to deriving the propagator, with some advocating for the use of wave functionals while others suggest alternative methods. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus on the best approach or the correctness of the methods proposed.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential issues with the assumptions made in their calculations, such as the dependence on the choice of basis and the implications of using coherent states. There are also unresolved mathematical steps in the derivation of the propagator.

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Hi,

I am trying to write down the propagator for a scalar field theory, but I want to try and get it in the functional representation. My plan is to compute the following:
[tex] \langle \psi (x', t') | \psi (x,t) \rangle [/tex]
which gives the amplitude to go from x' to x. Now I guess I have to interpret this state as the ground state of the scalar field, since next I want to drop in a complete set of states
[tex] \langle \psi (x', t') | \psi (x,t) \rangle = \int \mathcal{D}\phi \, \langle \psi (x', t') |\phi \rangle \langle \phi | \psi (x,t) \rangle = \int \mathcal{D}\phi \, \psi^{' *}[\phi] \, \psi [\phi][/tex]
Is this procedure correct so far? Can I assume the wave functional is the ground state of the field theory in order to continue? Thanks.
 
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Wait, I think I got it. For a free scalar field the propogator would be like
[tex] \langle 0 | \varphi (x) \varphi(x') | 0 \rangle[/tex]
Then we put in a complete set of eigenstates
[tex] \int \mathcal{D}\phi \, \langle 0 | \varphi (x) | \phi \rangle \langle \phi | \varphi(x') | 0 \rangle = \int \mathcal{D}\phi \, \phi(x) \, \phi(x') \, \psi^{*}_{0}[\phi] \, \psi_{0}[\phi] [/tex]
Next would be to explicitly calculate what [itex]\psi_{0}[\phi][/itex] would be and then do the functional integral I believe.
 
Ah, the generating functional approach, I am trying to stay away from that right now. I want to compute the two point correlation function for a free scalar field theory using "wave functional" representation. I'm still trying to make it work though . . .

currently, I am working with the lowering operator
[tex] a(\vec{k}) = \int d^3 x \, e^{-i \vec{k}\cdot \vec{x}}(\omega(\vec{k})\varphi(x) + i\pi(x) )[/tex]
and solving for [itex]\Psi_{0}[\tilde{\phi}][/itex] using
[tex] a(\vec{k}')\Psi_{0}[\tilde{\phi}]=\omega(\vec{k})\tilde{\phi}(\vec{k}')\Psi_{0}[\tilde{\phi}]+\frac{\delta \Psi_{0}[\tilde{\phi}]}{\delta \tilde{\phi}(\vec{k}')}=0[/tex]
and I get
[tex] \Psi_{0}[\tilde{\phi}] = N \exp \left[-\frac{1}{2} \int d^3k \, \tilde{\phi}(\vec{k})\omega(\vec{k}) \tilde{\phi} ( \vec{k} ) \right][/tex]
Now I am in the process of solving the gaussian integral
[tex] \int\mathcal{D}\tilde{\phi} \, \tilde{\phi}(\vec{k})\tilde{\phi}(\vec{k}') \, \Psi_{0}^{*}[\tilde{\phi}] \, \Psi_{0}[\tilde{\phi}][/tex]
but I can't seem to get it to work yet . . .
 
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it does not seem that it will work.Are you sure with it?
 
jfy4 said:
Wait, I think I got it. For a free scalar field the propogator would be like
[tex] \langle 0 | \varphi (x) \varphi(x') | 0 \rangle[/tex]
Then we put in a complete set of eigenstates
[tex] \int \mathcal{D}\phi \, \langle 0 | \varphi (x) | \phi \rangle \langle \phi | \varphi(x') | 0 \rangle = \int \mathcal{D}\phi \, \phi(x) \, \phi(x') \, \psi^{*}_{0}[\phi] \, \psi_{0}[\phi] [/tex]
Next would be to explicitly calculate what [itex]\psi_{0}[\phi][/itex] would be and then do the functional integral I believe.

You have to be careful here. You're probably using a coherent-state basis, which is a basis corresponding to eigenvalues of the field operators. This basis is overcomplete, so you need a compensating factor for this. Look at for instance Altland and Simons.
 

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