Propeller Weight & Number of Blades: Effects on Thrust

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects of propeller weight and the number of blades on thrust generation. Participants explore theoretical implications and practical considerations related to propeller design, including energy transfer, rotational speed, and aerodynamic efficiency.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the weight of a propeller affects thrust, suggesting that while a heavier propeller may require more energy to start, it could store energy that aids in maintaining thrust after the engine stops.
  • Others argue that the maximum safe rotational speed for a heavier propeller would be lower, leading to reduced maximum achievable thrust compared to a lighter propeller.
  • One participant notes that the number of blades is chosen to balance the propeller across various dimensions and speeds, stating that more blades can lead to slower rotation and stronger blades, while fewer blades may allow for higher speeds.
  • Another viewpoint suggests that the number of blades is primarily determined by the need to carry power from the engine, with the understanding that adding blades can reduce aerodynamic efficiency.
  • Ground clearance issues during takeoffs and landings are also mentioned as a reason for increasing blade count.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the impact of propeller weight on thrust, with no consensus reached. There is also a lack of agreement on the optimal number of blades and their effects on performance.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on specific conditions, such as the design of the propeller and the characteristics of the engine. The discussion includes assumptions about energy transfer and aerodynamic efficiency that may not be universally applicable.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying aerodynamics, mechanical engineering, or anyone involved in aircraft design and propulsion systems.

Aman Trivedi
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Does the weight of a propeller have any effect on the thrust provided? For example, if there are are two propellers of the same size same speed but different weight, would the one with more weight have a greater or lesser thrust? also would effect do the number of blades(faces) have on the way a propeller works? for example there are propellers which are 2 faced, 3 faced and so on...
 
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I don't see why the weight of a propeller would have any effect. Energy starts with the motor, goes through the propellor, and then pushes the air, producing thrust. A heavier propeller would require more energy to start turning, but (ignoring friction) it's greater momentum would then cause it to continue moving air after the engine had stopped. It's a needless store of energy that would just make the plane heavier.
 
For two otherwise identical propellers of different weights the maximum safe rotational speed for the heavier one would be lower than for the lighter one .

Propeller thrust is a function of rotational speed . So maximum achievable thrust for the heavier propeller would be less than for the lighter propeller .
 
Nidum said:
For two otherwise identical propellers of different weights the maximum safe rotational speed for the heavier one would be lower than for the lighter one .

Propeller thrust is a function of rotational speed . So maximum achievable thrust for the heavier propeller would be less than for the lighter propeller .

I wish to learn more about propeller designs, do you any any nice resources? Also I saw a man on youtube who had built a hoverbike. It could lift him uptona feet and a half. How powerful do you suppose his motor was?
 
The number of blades is selected to balance the propeller in all dimensions at all speeds.
The blades must slice the volume of air efficiently without a blade cutting through air disturbed by the previous blade.
So the RPM of the propeller will be inversely proportional to the number of blades.

One blade with a counter balance will be very fast and so not need a reduction gearbox. Two blades is simple and better balanced than one. Three blades will be well balanced, but will need some reduction box. More than three blades will be well balanced, but slower rotating and so can have stronger blades.
 
Aman Trivedi said:
Does the weight of a propeller have any effect on the thrust provided?
No. The weight (mass, actually) will influence the transient response (spool-up and spool-down time) and gyroscopic loads during rapid maneuvering. But steady-state thrust will be unaffected.

Aman Trivedi said:
also would effect do the number of blades(faces) have on the way a propeller works?
The blade count is driven primarily by the need to carry power. The bigger (i.e. - more powerful) the engine, the more blades you need to convert that power to thrust. This is because the blades have structural limits, so the available power has to be divided between them.

According to idealized propeller theory, you lose aerodynamic efficiency every time you add a blade. So propellers typically have the minimum number of blades required to carry the power of the engine (this is a bit simplified, weight and structural loads play a role in blade selection as well).

I wish to learn more about propeller designs, do you any any nice resources?
Not sure what your background is, but if you have the math skills, here is a good starting point: https://www.amazon.com/dp/052127494X/?tag=pfamazon01-20.
 
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Blade count is often increased because of ground clearance issues during takeoffs and landings.
 

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