Properties of Differential Operator and Proper Formalism

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The discussion centers around the properties of differential operators and the proper formalism for differentiation, particularly focusing on the differentiation of a function defined as y = cx and the subsequent calculation of its first and second derivatives. The scope includes technical explanations and mathematical reasoning.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a function y = cx and differentiates it using the operator d/dx, leading to confusion about the proper usage of formalism for the second derivative.
  • Another participant asserts that the initial calculation is incorrect, stating that x should not be treated as x^(-1) and that the first derivative is actually 1, leading to a second derivative of 0.
  • A third participant questions the reasoning behind the differentiation process and clarifies that the notation d^2y/dx^2 is an abbreviation for applying the differentiation operator twice, suggesting that the first equation may have been a typo.
  • There is a reiteration of the initial correction regarding the treatment of x, emphasizing the confusion around the notation and its implications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the initial calculation and the interpretation of the function. There is no consensus on the correct approach to the differentiation process, as multiple interpretations and corrections are presented.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made about the function and the notation used, which may lead to confusion in the differentiation process. The discussion does not resolve these ambiguities.

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Let us take a function defined by

[tex]y=cx[/tex]
To differentiate that, we use the operator d/dx
[tex]\frac{d}{dx} y = \frac{d}{dx} cx^{-1}[/tex]
By the chain rule/implicit differentiation on the left and normal differentiation on the right we get,
[tex]\frac{dy}{dx} = -1c x^{-2}[/tex]

What confuses me is the proper usage of the formalism to get

[tex]\frac{d^2y}{dx^2} = 2cx^{-3}[/tex]

It doesn't seem that we can use the same operation as last time.
 
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Your initial calculation is wrong, x is not supposed to be x^(-1), it remains x, and after the differentiation it is 1. The second derivative is then, of course, 0.
 
Why not?

##\dfrac{d^2y}{dx^2}## is just a (slightly confusing, if you think too hard about what ##dx^2## is supposed to mean) abbreviation for ##\dfrac{d}{dx}\left(\dfrac{d}{dx}y\right)##.

(I assumed your first equation was a typo for ## y = cx^{-1}##).
 
meldraft said:
Your initial calculation is wrong, x is not supposed to be x^(-1), it remains x, and after the differentiation it is 1. The second derivative is then, of course, 0.
Typo.
AlephZero said:
Why not?

##\dfrac{d^2y}{dx^2}## is just a (slightly confusing, if you think too hard about what ##dx^2## is supposed to mean) abbreviation for ##\dfrac{d}{dx}\left(\dfrac{d}{dx}y\right)##.

(I assumed your first equation was a typo for ## y = cx^{-1}##).

Oh thank you! Now I realize why it is written in that form
 

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