Quick Differential Form Question

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The discussion centers around the interpretation of differential forms in the context of differential equations involving multiple variables. Participants explore the implications of specific forms, particularly in relation to solutions that may be lost during manipulations such as applying integrating factors.

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  • One participant questions whether a differential form like ##(y)dx## implies that the change in the function as ##x## changes is zero, suggesting a potential misunderstanding of the implications of the form.
  • Another participant clarifies that ##ydx## is not automatically zero, but that the system defined by ##(x \equiv 0 \wedge ydx=0)## has a solution that could be lost if certain operations, like dividing by ##x^{2}##, are performed.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the meaning of "consider this system first" in the context of the discussion, indicating a need for further clarification on the approach to solving the system.
  • Further clarification is provided that ##x \equiv 0## is a possibility that leads to a solution where ##y## can take any value, after which the case of ##x \not\equiv 0## can be considered.
  • A general comment is made about the preservation of solution sets during operations on equations, emphasizing that not all manipulations maintain the integrity of the solutions.

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Participants express differing levels of understanding regarding the implications of differential forms and the operations performed on them. There is no consensus on the interpretation of the implications of these forms or the best approach to solving the associated systems.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the differential forms and the operations applied to the equations, which may affect the solution set. The discussion does not resolve these limitations.

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I've been going through my book learning about differential equations of multiple variables and I have a quick question about differential forms.

If you are working a problem and get to the point where you're left with a differential form like ##(y)dx##, does that mean that the change in the function as ##x## changes is zero, such that ##(y)dx=0##?

For example, one of the example problems in my book is:$$(2x^2+y)dx+(x^2y-x)dy=0$$
It says that if you multiply the function by the integrating factor ##u(x)=x^{-2}## you get $$(2+yx^{-2})dx+(y-x^{-1})dy=0$$ and you end up losing the solution ##x≡0##.

I understand that plugging 0 into the original equation yields ##(y)dx+(0)dy=0##, but I'm not sure why 0 is a solution.
 
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##ydx## isn't automatically zero, but the system ( ##x\equiv 0 \wedge ydx=0## ) has a solution which will get lost if we divide by ##x^{2}##. So as always in these cases, consider this system first and in the next case ##x \not\equiv 0\,##.
 
fresh_42 said:
##ydx## isn't automatically zero, but the system ( ##x\equiv 0 \wedge ydx=0## ) has a solution which will get lost if we divide by ##x^{2}##.

I'm sorry but I don't know what that bit in the parentheses means.

fresh_42 said:
So as always in these cases, consider this system first and in the next case ##x \not\equiv 0\,##.

What do you mean by "consider this system first"?
 
I meant ##x \equiv 0## is a possibility at first. In this case we conclude ##ydx=0## which can be integrated and leads to a solution with ##x \equiv 0 ## and ##y = \text{ anything }##. From this point on we can assume ##x \not\equiv 0## and consider this remaining case.
 
Ah okay. Thanks fresh.
 
As a general comment not every operation on your equation/system will preserve the solution set. Remember, e.g., when you have a system of linear equations that anything other than switching rows, non-zero scaling and adding a multiple of one row to another, will change the solution .
 
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