Proposal for a Quantum Delayed-Choice Experiment

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The discussion revolves around a proposal for a quantum delayed-choice experiment, focusing on its implications for hidden variable theories and the nature of wave-particle duality in quantum mechanics. Participants explore the conceptual and experimental aspects of the proposed framework, including its potential to redefine complementarity and the role of quantum-controlled devices.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express interest in the paper's claim to disprove current hidden variable theories, particularly those that reproduce quantum mechanics statistics while maintaining realistic properties for particles and waves.
  • Others highlight the paper's assertion that a photon can exhibit morphing behavior between particle and wave, suggesting that these characteristics are not inherent but depend on the observer's perspective.
  • A participant questions the validity of the assumption regarding the source emitting wave- and particle-like photons, arguing that verification of this assumption is necessary for the paper's conclusions to hold.
  • Another participant reflects on the significance of "quantum controls" in the experimental setup, indicating that this aspect may be crucial to understanding the proposed framework.
  • Concerns are raised about the interpretation of data and the statement that "behavior is in the eye of the observer," with some participants seeking clarification on how this relates to the measurement outcomes and the role of the ancilla.
  • One participant suggests that the interpretation of experimental outcomes may vary based on the perspective taken, emphasizing that explanations in physics are not unique and can change with additional data correlation.

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Participants express a range of interpretations and uncertainties regarding the implications of the proposed experiment and the assumptions made in the paper. There is no consensus on the validity of the claims or the significance of the conclusions drawn.

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Limitations include the dependence on specific assumptions about photon behavior and the unresolved nature of the implications of quantum controls in the experimental framework.

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Here is the full paper in the archives:

http://arxiv.org/abs/1103.0117

"Gedanken experiments are important conceptual tools in the quest to reconcile our classical intuition with quantum mechanics and nowadays are routinely performed in the laboratory. An important open question is the quantum behaviour of the controlling devices in such experiments. We propose a framework to analyse quantum-controlled experiments and illustrate the implications by discussing a quantum version of Wheeler's delayed-choice experiment. The introduction of a quantum-controlled device (i.e., quantum beamsplitter) has several consequences. First, it implies that we can measure complementary phenomena with a single experimental setup, thus pointing to a redefinition of complementarity principle. Second, a quantum control allows us to prove there are no consistent hidden-variable theories in which "particle" and "wave" are realistic properties. Finally, it shows that a photon can have a morphing behaviour between "particle" and "wave"; this further supports the conclusion that "particle" and "wave" are not realistic properties but merely reflect how we 'look' at the photon. The framework developed here can be extended to other experiments, particularly to Bell-inequality tests. "
 


From reading the paper, I gather they disprove HV theories that satisfy the two criteria they list; (a) reproducing QM statistics and; (b) having particles and waves as realistic.

However, from the last page in which they say waves produce particle statistics in an open interferometer (without the 2nd beam splitter), and particles producing interference statistics in a closed interferometer (with the 2nd beam splitter) - that is exactly what happens in Bohmian Mechanics, right? I mean, the particle does go along one path, but interference is still observed in a closed interferometer set-up.
 


I also don't quite get their assumption on the source emitting wave- and particle-like photons. If they're using that assumption to base their proof, there is no substance to it unless you verify the assumption.
 


And the paper concludes: "It is only after we interpret the photon data, by
correlating them with the results of the ancilla, that either a
particle- or wave-like behaviour emerges: behaviour is in the
eye of the observer."
I'm not sure yet of the significance of having "quantum controls" embedded in the apparatus, that seems like a key part of their innovation, but this conclusion is one that I think is generally valid. Indeed, on several other active threads I've been arguing for a more sensible version of "realism" that accounts for exactly this conclusion, and I'm getting the full range of reactions from that's obvious to that's ridiculous!
 


I honestly don't get the "eye of the observer" comment. Had the ancilla been measured and found in either |0> or |1>, but we don't correlate the data - would we find the particle still to be in a superposition of wave and particle (from the half intensity interference pattern). Daniel did email me back, but never clarified on that point. All I got was "What we mean by “behavior is in the eye of the observer” is that if we consider the data on the system alone, then it is just a reduced-visibility interference pattern. Only by matching with the data from ancilla, we find the characteristic wave or particle -like dependence of relative frequencies of 0 and 1 as functions of the phase phi."
 


I don't know exactly what they mean either, but I think the point is that when you look at only part of the outcomes of the experiment, you might gravitate toward one type of explanation of what happened there (be it more particle-like or more wave-like), but if you also look at the ancilla and correlate, you might be surprised to find that a rather different explanation emerges from the complete data. So your idea about "what was the behavior" can be affected by the perspective you take, and how that perspective can be informed in different ways by different aspects of the full data. My own way of saying that is simply the more general observation that in physics, "explanations are not unique."
 

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