Proton Precession in Hydrogen-Rich Liquids

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The discussion centers on the behavior of protons in hydrogen-rich liquids when subjected to a strong magnetic field, specifically regarding proton precession and its implications for hydrogen atoms and water molecules. The scope includes theoretical aspects of nuclear magnetic resonance (NMR) and the nature of magnetic moments in liquids.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the precession of protons in a hydrogen-rich liquid implies that hydrogen atoms or water molecules are precessing, suggesting a misunderstanding of the nature of protons in liquids.
  • Another participant clarifies that it is the spin of the nucleus of the hydrogen atom that is precessing, emphasizing that the term "proton" in NMR refers to the hydrogen nucleus, not a free proton.
  • There is a reiteration that anything with a magnetic moment will precess, but the focus is on protons that precess near the RF frequency, specifically the hydrogen nuclei.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants appear to agree on the technical clarification regarding the precession of the hydrogen nucleus, but there is some initial confusion regarding the implications for hydrogen atoms and water molecules, indicating a lack of consensus on the interpretation of precession in this context.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the assumptions about the behavior of protons in liquids versus free protons, nor does it clarify the implications of precession for molecular behavior in hydrogen-rich environments.

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Can somebody clear my doubt regarding the proton precession ?
When a hydogen rich is subjected to a strong magnetic field , the protons ( which has a magnetic moment) lines up along the applied field in a parallel or anti parallel state.
My doubt is that- protons ( Hydrogen ion) in a hydrogen rich liquid cannot exist as an ion in a liquid because it recombines with an electron and becomes an hydrogen atom.

so when the proton precess , does it mean the hydogen atom is precessing, ?
In the case of water , does it mean the water molecule is precessing?
 
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Anything with a magnetic moment will precess. But we only care about the things that precess near our RF frequency (Larmor frequency). Usually we set the frequency so that we get only the protons. That is, the hydrogen nuclei.
 
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To make sure that what @Dale wrote is correctly understood:
Anil Iype said:
so when the proton precess , does it mean the hydogen atom is precessing, ?
In the case of water , does it mean the water molecule is precessing?
No. It is the spin of the nucleus of the hydrogen atom that is precessing.

As the nucleus of the (regular) hydrogen atom is just a proton, it is common in NMR to talk about that nucleus simply as the "proton," but that does not mean that it concerns a free proton.
 
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Dale said:
Anything with a magnetic moment will precess. But we only care about the things that precess near our RF frequency (Larmor frequency). Usually we set the frequency so that we get only the protons. That is, the hydrogen nuclei.

Thanks for the explanation
DrClaude said:
To make sure that what @Dale wrote is correctly understood:

No. It is the spin of the nucleus of the hydrogen atom that is precessing.

As the nucleus of the (regular) hydrogen atom is just a proton, it is common in NMR to talk about that nucleus simply as the "proton," but that does not mean that it concerns a free proton.
Thanks for the explanation
 
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