Prove AUB=BUA: Simple Proof Question

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The discussion revolves around proving the equality A∪B = B∪A using set theory principles. Participants analyze a proof that demonstrates A∪B ⊆ B∪A and argue that it lacks justification for the reverse inclusion. They express confusion over a professor's assertion that the proof is valid despite only showing one direction of inclusion. The conversation highlights the need for formal justification in mathematical proofs and the differences in teaching approaches between departments. Ultimately, the participants agree on the necessity of proving both inclusions for the equality to hold.
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Prove AUB=BUA

Let xεAUB
xεA or xεB (Definition of union)

case 1: xεA
xεBUA (Def of union)
since x is arbitrary, must be true for all x. (inclusion)
therefore, AUB=BUA

Case 2: xεB
xεBUA (Def of union)
since x is arbitrary, must be true for all x. (inclusion)
therefore, AUB=BUA
Now, I was told that the above proof was valid by a professor. But I don't see how it could be valid as it is written. The only proof I can arguably see here is a proof that AUB\subseteqBUA.

From the way its written, case 1 shows that A\subseteqBUA while case 2 shows that B\subseteqBUA; therefore, the conclusion would be AUB\subseteqBUA.

Maybe I'm missing something here..?
 
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You are right. But if we substitute A and B, then we also get a proof for the other inclusion. That is: a proof for the other inclusion follows from proving the first inclusion.
 
micromass said:
You are right. But if we substitute A and B, then we also get a proof for the other inclusion. That is: a proof for the other inclusion follows from proving the first inclusion.

See I tired to point this out in class. The professor argued that my argument of
A→B and B→A therefore A=B was a totally different proof. And some how, he accomplishes the same thing without using this because of something to do with his description of an "arbitrary x".
 
SixNein said:
See I tired to point this out in class. The professor argued that my argument of
A→B and B→A therefore A=B was a totally different proof. And some how, he accomplishes the same thing without using this because of something to do with his description of an "arbitrary x".

OK, what about this:

First we prove (as in the OP) that E\cup F\subseteq F\cup E for ALL sets E and F. This is what the OP does, right??

Now, we want to prove that A\cup B=B\cup A for all sets A and B.
Well
\subseteq follows if we take E=A and F=B.
\supseteq follows if we take E=B and F=A.
So equality holds.
 
micromass said:
OK, what about this:

First we prove (as in the OP) that E\cup F\subseteq F\cup E for ALL sets E and F. This is what the OP does, right??

Now, we want to prove that A\cup B=B\cup A for all sets A and B.
Well
\subseteq follows if we take E=A and F=B.
\supseteq follows if we take E=B and F=A.
So equality holds.

Let me ask you this:

Would you agree that in case 1: he essentially showed that A⊆BUA?
Would you also agree that in case 2: he essentially showed that B⊆BUA?

He believed that they didn't.

Why would he think that?

At any rate, I agree with you here; however, he seemed to be making a different argument (during the discussion).
 
SixNein said:
Let me ask you this:

Would you agree that in case 1: he essentially showed that A⊆BUA?
Would you also agree that in case 2: he essentially showed that B⊆BUA?

He believed that they didn't.

Why would he think that?

At any rate, I agree with you here; however, he seemed to be making a different argument (during the discussion).

I agree with you here.

Formally, you indeed need to provide justification for both inclusions.

However, I wasn't present at the discussion, so I can't really say what your professor was trying to say. All I can say is that I think you have a good understanding of this situation and that what you say is correct.
 
micromass said:
I agree with you here.

Formally, you indeed need to provide justification for both inclusions.

However, I wasn't present at the discussion, so I can't really say what your professor was trying to say. All I can say is that I think you have a good understanding of this situation and that what you say is correct.

I just needed some extra eyes on it. I could have been wrong.

The class is being taught out of the computer science department. I honestly don't think this would have been an issue in the mathematics department.

ANyway, thanks for your time.
 

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