Prove Compact Surface: Alg. Topology Help with Polygon Sides Identification

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The discussion revolves around proving that a quotient space formed by identifying the sides of a polygon with an even number of sides is a compact surface. The conversation includes theoretical aspects of algebraic topology, particularly focusing on the implications of side identification and the definitions involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using a theorem that states any compact surface is homeomorphic to a sphere, a connected sum of tori, or a connected sum of projective planes, to support their proof.
  • The same participant expresses confusion about the phrase "identified in pairs in accordance with any symbol whatsoever," questioning whether it implies any two sides of the polygon can be identified with one another.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need to refer to the book for definitions, particularly the term "symbol," indicating that the meaning is not explicitly defined in the problem statement.
  • A different participant provides examples of symbols corresponding to different surfaces, explaining how the direction of identification affects the resulting surface type.
  • Further exploration of possible symbols is suggested, with questions raised about the validity of various combinations of symbols for side identification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of "symbol" or the implications of different side identifications. Multiple viewpoints and interpretations remain in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

There is a lack of clarity regarding the definitions of terms used in the problem, particularly "symbol," which affects the understanding of the identification process. The discussion also highlights the complexity of identifying sides and the potential for various interpretations.

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Problem: Let P be a polygon with an even number of sides. Suppose that the sides are identified in pairs in accordance with any symbol whatsoever. Prove that the quotient space is a compact surface.

Proof:

Ok, here are some of my thoughts about the proof.

I believe that one would need to use the following theorem(while it is possible that it can be done in other ways as well).

Thm. Any compact surface is either homeomorphic to a sphere, or to a connected sum of tori, or to a connected sum of projective planes.

The part that throws me off is "Suppose that the sides are identified in pairs in accordance with any symbol whatsoever". Do they mean that any two sides of the n-gon can be identified with one another or?

Proof: If it is a 2-gon, then there are really only two ways one could identify its sides in pairs. If identified in the same direction, then the quotient space of this 2-gon would be a sphere, thus a compact surface. If they are identified in the opposite direction, then it would be a projective plane, hence a compact surface.

Now, suppose that we are talking about a 2n-gon. Now, i know that the quotient space of a 2n-gon with sides identified as follows:

a_1a_1a_2a_2...a_na_n is homeomorphic to a connected sum of n projective planes, thus by the above theorem it is compact.

I believe, the proof would be concluded if we could show that any other identification could somehow be transformed into either the connected sum of n projective planes or n tori.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

Thnx in advance.
 
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we can't tell you what they mean. you have to read the book and figure out the meaning of those words. find the definition of "symbol".
 
For example the symbol corresponding to a sphere is

aa^{-1}

to the connected sum of n tori:

a_1b_1a_1^{-1}b_1^{-1}a_2b_2a_2^{-1}b_2^{-1}...a_nb_na_n^{-1}b_n^{-1}---(1)

and similarly for the connected sum of n projective planes.

So, basically above the letters a_1 etc have to do with the identification of the sides of the polygon, where if the exponent is +1 it means that the arrow points in the same direction that we are going, and if -1 otherwise.

So, i guess when the problem is saying 'any symbol whatsoever' they may mean that if say we are talking for 4n-gon, then the symbol is some permutation of the symbol in (1) ??

The author doesn't really elaborate on this issue much, and there is no particular 'definition' of the word 'symbol' other than what i just described above. This is the context in which the author is using the word 'symbol' in this section.
 
okay, that seems a reasonable guess. so which symbols can you do? can you do aa? oops, note this is already more general than what you have guessed. but you might ask yourself whether aa works. and what about aaa? or aaaa? or a.a^-1.b.b^-1? or a.b.c.a^-1.b^-1.c^-1? or abab?
 
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