Prove Covariant Four Vector: \frac{\partial\phi}{\partial x^{\mu}}

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating that the expression \(\frac{\partial\phi}{\partial x^{\mu}}\) qualifies as a covariant four-vector. Participants are exploring the implications of this classification within the context of covariant transformations in physics.

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  • Participants express confusion about the requirements of the problem and seek hints regarding the nature of covariant vectors. There are inquiries about transforming derivatives between different frames and the application of the multivariable chain rule. Some participants discuss the notation and implications of differentiating with respect to various indices.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants actively questioning the transformation process and the role of the Lorentz transformation in the context of derivatives. Some guidance has been provided regarding the use of the chain rule and the differentiation of coordinate transformations, but no consensus has been reached.

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Participants mention working within the framework of special relativity and express uncertainty about the application of Lorentz transformations to derivatives. There is a focus on understanding the relationship between different coordinate systems and the implications for the expression in question.

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Homework Statement


Show that [tex]\frac{\partial\phi}{\partial x^{\mu}}[/tex] is a covariant four vector .


Homework Equations


All covariant four vector transformations .


The Attempt at a Solution


I really didn't understand what question implies . How can this vector be showed as being a covariant vector ?
If you could give me a hint at least about what is really asked .

Thanks .
 
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ercagpince said:

Homework Statement


Show that [tex]\frac{\partial\phi}{\partial x^{\mu}}[/tex] is a covariant four vector .


Homework Equations


All covariant four vector transformations .


The Attempt at a Solution


I really didn't understand what question implies . How can this vector be showed as being a covariant vector ?
If you could give me a hint at least about what is really asked .

Thanks .

You must write the corresponding expression expressed in a different frame, viz

[tex]\frac{\partial\phi'(x')}{\partial x'^{\mu}}[/tex]
and then relate all the quantities to the unprimed coordinate system.
 
How can i write it in a different frame since I don't know how to transform the derivate from one frame to another ?
 
I would call the

[tex]\frac{\partial \phi}{\partial x^\mu}[/tex]

components of a covector field with respect to a particular basis, but physicists often think terms of components (or abstract index notation).

In any case, switch to a primed coordinate system and use the multivariable chain rule to express

[tex]\frac{\partial \phi}{\partial x'^\nu}[/tex]

in terms of

[tex]\frac{\partial \phi}{\partial x^\mu}.[/tex]

[edit]Was typing while nrqed's post came in. His notation is better than mine. Why?[/edit]
 
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I don't know how to switch from one inertial frame to another on differential form .
I have Lorentz transformation of (x0,x1,x2,x3) linear terms but I really have no clue how to obtain derivate form of that .
 
ercagpince said:
I don't know how to switch from one inertial frame to another on differential form .
I have Lorentz transformation of (x0,x1,x2,x3) linear terms but I really have no clue how to obtain derivate form of that .

Are yuo working only with inertial coordinate systems in special relativity, and do you have something like (I might have the staggering wrong)

[tex]x^\nu = \Lambda^\nu{}_\mu x'^\mu?[/tex]

If so, differentiate this with respect to [itex]x'^\alpha[/itex] to get something that you can use in conjunction with the chain rule.
 
Should superscript alpha be nu ? Or is alpha for another indice ?
 
ercagpince said:
Should superscript alpha be nu ? Or is alpha for another indice ?

No to the first; yes to the second.

If you differentiate with respect to a nu index, nu will appear twice in each side of the expression, and there will be possible problems with the summation convention. If you differentiate with respect to mu, the mu will appear three times.

What does

[tex]\frac{\partial x'^\mu}{\partial x'^\alpha}[/tex]

equal?
 
What about the lamdba term ? It contains some x0 to x3 term that should be derivated .

Actually , this is the key problem that confuses my mind from the beginning .
 
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ercagpince said:
What about the lamdba term ? It contains some x0 to x3 term that should be derivated .

Actually , this is the key problem that confuses my mind from the beginning .

Again, I'm not sure of the context in which we're working. If talking about Lorentz transformations between inertial coordinate systems, Lambda is a matrix of constants (i.e., the constants that multiply the x coordinates or x' coordinates). It has no x dependence
 

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