MHB Prove Existence of $n$ for Integer $\sqrt{n^3+xn^2+yn+z}$

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For any integers x, y, and z, it can be proven that there exists a positive integer n such that the expression √(n^3 + xn^2 + yn + z) is not an integer. The discussion highlights that modular arithmetic can be utilized to demonstrate this property effectively. Participants explore various approaches and examples to illustrate the existence of such an n. The consensus is that the proof hinges on specific modular conditions that lead to non-integer results. Overall, the thread emphasizes the role of modular arithmetic in solving this problem.
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Prove that for any integers $x,\,y,\,z$, there exists a positive integers $n$ such that $\sqrt{n^3+xn^2+yn+z}$ is not an integer.
 
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anemone said:
Prove that for any integers $x,\,y,\,z$, there exists a positive integers $n$ such that $\sqrt{n^3+xn^2+yn+z}$ is not an integer.

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Let $f(n)=n^3+xn^2+yn+z$. Find an integer $a$ large enough that $8a^3$ exceeds both $(x^2-4y)a^2-xa-z+\dfrac{1}{4}$ and $(4y-x^2)a^2-xa+z-\dfrac{1}{4}$, i.e.

$\begin{align*}f(4a^2)&=(4a^2)^3+x(4a^2)^2+y(4a^2)+z\\&=64a^6+16a^4x+4a^2y+z\end{align*}$

$\begin{align*}\left(8a^3+xa-\dfrac{1}{2}\right)^2&=64a^6+16a^3\left(xa-\dfrac{1}{2}\right)+x^2a^2-xa+\dfrac{1}{4}\\&=64a^6+16a^4x-8a^3+x^2a^2-xa+\dfrac{1}{4}\end{align*}$

$\begin{align*}\left(8a^3+xa+\dfrac{1}{2}\right)^2&=64a^6+16a^3\left(xa+\dfrac{1}{2}\right)+x^2a^2+xa+\dfrac{1}{4}\\&=64a^6+16a^4x+8a^3+x^2a^2+xa+\dfrac{1}{4}\end{align*}$

and

$-8a^3+x^2a^2-xa+\dfrac{1}{4}<4a^2y+z$ which gives $(x^2-4y)a^2-xa-z+\dfrac{1}{4}<8a^3$

whereas

$8a^3+x^2a^2+xa+\dfrac{1}{4}>4a^2y+z$ which gives $8a^3>(4y-x^2)a^2-xa+z-\dfrac{1}{4}$

therefore we get

$\left(8a^3+xa-\dfrac{1}{2}\right)^2<f(4a^2)<\left(8a^3+xa+\dfrac{1}{2}\right)^2$

So if $f(4a^2)$ is a square, then $f(4a^2)=(8a^3+xa)^2$, i.e., $(x^2-4y)a^2=z$. This cannot hold for more than one value of $a$ unless $4y=x^2$ and $z=0$. But then $f(n)=n\left(n+\dfrac{x}{2}\right)^2$; this is not a square if $n$ is a non-square different from $-\dfrac{x}{2}$.
 
anemone said:
Prove that for any integers $x,\,y,\,z$, there exists a positive integers $n$ such that $\sqrt{n^3+xn^2+yn+z}$ is not an integer.

this can be solved using modular arithmetic as below

If we can show that it cannot be for n = 1,2,3,4 then we are through
for n = 1 we have $f(1) = 1 + x + y+ z\cdots(1)$
for n= 2 we have $f(2) = 8 + 4x + 2y + z\cdots(2)$
$f(3) = 27 + 9x + 3y + +z\cdots(3)$
$f(4) = 64 + 16x + 4y + z\cdots(4)$
if f(1) and f(3) are perfect squares then from (1) and (3) we get $26+ 8x+ 2y \equiv 0 \pmod 4$ or $2y \equiv 2 \pmod 4\cdots(5)$
if f(2) and f(4) are perfect squares then from (2) and (4) we get $56+ 12x+ 2y \equiv 0 \pmod 4$ or $2y \equiv 0 \pmod 4\cdots(6)$
(5) and (6) cannot be satisfied at the same time so for n = 1 to 3 it cannot be a perfect square
 
Here is a little puzzle from the book 100 Geometric Games by Pierre Berloquin. The side of a small square is one meter long and the side of a larger square one and a half meters long. One vertex of the large square is at the center of the small square. The side of the large square cuts two sides of the small square into one- third parts and two-thirds parts. What is the area where the squares overlap?

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