Prove Limit of |a_n|^(1/n) = L

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The discussion centers on proving the limit relationship between the ratio of consecutive terms of a sequence and the limit of the nth root of the absolute values of the terms. Participants explore the implications of the limit of the ratio and the conditions under which the proof holds, including considerations of cases where terms may equal zero.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that if $\lim\left|\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}\right|=L$, then it follows that $\lim |a_n|^{1/n}=L$.
  • One participant introduces the sequence $q_n=\left|\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}\right|$ and discusses the convergence of its geometric means to $L$.
  • Another participant questions the validity of the claim regarding the convergence of geometric means, seeking clarification.
  • Some participants express concern about the scenario where $|q_n|=0$ for some $n$, questioning how this affects the proof.
  • It is noted that if $q_n=0$, then $a_{n+1}=0$, leading to a contradiction regarding the existence of the ratio $a_{n+2}/a_{n+1}$.
  • However, a counterpoint is raised that the only hypothesis is the limit of the ratio, suggesting that $a_0$ could be zero, which complicates the argument.
  • Participants discuss the implications of $a_0$ being zero, particularly regarding the definition of the ratio $a_1/a_0$.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the implications of the limit of the ratio, particularly regarding cases where terms may be zero. The discussion includes competing views on the validity of the proof under these conditions.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to the assumptions made about the sequence, particularly concerning the existence of ratios when terms are zero.

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Prove: $\displaystyle \lim\left|\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}\right|=L\implies \lim |a_n|^{1/n}=L$.
 
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Alexmahone said:
Prove: $\displaystyle \lim\left|\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}\right|=L\implies \lim |a_n|^{1/n}=L$.

Denote $q_n=\left|\dfrac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}\right|$. The sequence of positive terms $|q_n|$ converges to $L$, so the sequence if its geometric means also converges to $L$. As $\sqrt[n]{q_0q_1\ldots q_{n-1}}=\sqrt[n]{\dfrac{|a_n|}{|a_0|}}=\dfrac{\sqrt[n]{|a_n|}}{\sqrt[n]{|a_0|}}$, clearly $\sqrt[n]{|a_n|}\to L$ because $\sqrt[n]{|a_0|}\to 1$.
 
Fernando Revilla said:
The sequence of positive terms $|q_n|$ converges to $L$, so the sequence if its geometric means also converges to $L$.

Why is this true?
 
Fernando Revilla said:
The sequence of positive terms $|q_n|$ converges to $L$, so the sequence if its geometric means also converges to $L$.

What if $|q_n|=0$ for some $n$?
 
Alexmahone said:
What if $|q_n|=0$ for some $n$?

We are supposing by hypothesis that $a_{k+1}/a_k$ exists for all $k$. If $q_n=0$ then $a_{n+1}=0$ and this would imply $a_{n+2}/a_{n+1}$ does not exist (contradiction).
 
Fernando Revilla said:
We are supposing by hypothesis that $a_{k+1}/a_k$ exists for all $k$. If $q_n=0$ then $a_{n+1}=0$ and this would imply $a_{n+2}/a_{n+1}$ does not exist (contradiction).

But the only hypothesis is $\displaystyle\lim\left|\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}\right|=L$. So, $\displaystyle a_0$ (for instance) could be 0.
 
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Alexmahone said:
But the only hypothesis is $\displaystyle\lim\left|\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}\right|=L$. So, $\displaystyle a_0$ (for instance) could be 0.

Then, $a_1/a_0$ is not defined.
 

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