Prove Reciprocal Cubic Lattice of Cubic Lattice is Also Cubic

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The discussion revolves around proving that the reciprocal cubic lattice of a cubic lattice is also cubic. Participants are examining the relationships between angles and lattice vectors in the context of crystallography.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the use of dot products to determine angles between reciprocal lattice vectors, questioning the derivation of specific angle relations. Some express confusion regarding the implications of different lattice systems.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the mathematical relationships involved, with some participants suggesting methods to derive angle expressions while others question the validity of initial equations. No consensus has been reached, but various approaches are being discussed.

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Participants note the complexity of deriving the angle relations and the potential for confusion due to different lattice types. There is an emphasis on ensuring clarity in the definitions and relationships used in the discussion.

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Homework Statement


Show that the reciprocal cubic of cubic lattice is also cubic.


Homework Equations


[tex]cos\alpha*=\frac{cos\beta cos\gamma-cos\alpha}{sin\beta sin\gamma}[/tex]

[tex]cos\beta*=\frac{cos\alpha cos\gamma-cos\beta}{sin\alpha sin\gamma}[/tex]

[tex]cos\gamma*=\frac{cos\alpha cos\beta-cos\gamma}{sin\alpha sin\beta}[/tex]

[tex]\vec{a*}=\frac{\vec{b}\times\vec{c}}{V}[/tex]

[tex]\vec{b*}=\frac{\vec{c}\times\vec{a}}{V}[/tex]

[tex]\vec{c*}=\frac{\vec{a}\times\vec{b}}{V}[/tex]





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If I use this formula I will show that [tex]\alpha*=\beta*=\gamma*=90^{\circ}[/tex]

and [tex]a*=b*=c*=\frac{1}{a}[/tex]

and so reciprocal lattice of cubic lattice is cubic. Q.E.D.

But I don't know from where I get this angle relations

[tex]cos\alpha*=\frac{cos\beta cos\gamma-cos\alpha}{sin\beta sin\gamma}[/tex]

[tex]cos\beta*=\frac{cos\alpha cos\gamma-cos\beta}{sin\alpha sin\gamma}[/tex]

[tex]cos\gamma*=\frac{cos\alpha cos\beta-cos\gamma}{sin\alpha sin\beta}[/tex]
 
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Just take the dot products between the reciprocal lattice vectors. If they are 0, then you know the angle between them must be 90 degrees. And they will come out to be 0 if you do the math right.
 
nickjer said:
Just take the dot products between the reciprocal lattice vectors. If they are 0, then you know the angle between them must be 90 degrees. And they will come out to be 0 if you do the math right.

Did you read my question?

Do you know from where I can get this expression for angles?

I'm not sure how do you mean to get zero if this is for example some loxogonal system in reciprocal lattice?

This way is I think unique. Because of that I'm interesting in this angle relations.
 
If you want to solve for those expressions, then you would do it the same way as I just described. Take the dot products of the reciprocal lattice vectors, then wade through all the trigonometry until you get the final solution. It will get messy, but you can get the same expressions.
 
Your first equation is wrong. Use the identity:

[tex](\vec{a}\times \vec{b})\cdot(\vec{c} \times \vec{d}) = (\vec{a}\cdot \vec{c})(\vec{b}\cdot \vec{d}) - (\vec{a}\cdot \vec{d})(\vec{b}\cdot \vec{c})[/tex]

Also, set the angles between your a and b to alpha, b and c to beta, and a & c to gamma. That way things won't get too confusing.
 
You will get the exact same identity I gave you using the vector identity you just listed, but you will have to go through more work since yours isn't fully expanded.
 
nickjer said:
You will get the exact same identity I gave you using the vector identity you just listed, but you will have to go through more work since yours isn't fully expanded.

[tex]\vec{a^*}\cdot{\vec{b^*}=\frac{1}{V^2}[(\vec{b}\times\vec{c})\cdot(\vec{c}\times\vec{a})]=\frac{1}{V^2}[(\vec{b}\cdot \vec{c})(\vec{c}\cdot\vec{a})-(\vec{b}\cdot \vec{a})(\vec{c}\cdot\vec{c})]=\frac{1}{V^2}[bccos\alpha accos\beta-abcos\gamma c^2][/tex]

[tex]a^*b^*cos\gamma^*=\frac{abc^2}{V^2}(cos\alpha cos\beta-cos\gamma)[/tex]

[tex]cos\gamma^*=\frac{abc^2}{a^*b^*V^2}(cos\alpha cos\beta-cos\gamma)[/tex]

I use different because I want to get solutions in same form. So angle between the a and b is gamma.

I'm pretty tired. I don't see how to get [tex]\frac{abc^2}{a^*b^*V^2}=\frac{1}{sin\beta sin\alpha}[/tex]
 
|a*| = |a x b|/V = a b sin(alpha)/V

Was too lazy to put it in tex, but you get the point.
 
Of course! :)

[tex] \vec{a*}=\frac{\vec{b}\times\vec{c}}{V}[/tex]

[tex] \vec{b*}=\frac{\vec{c}\times\vec{a}}{V}[/tex]

From that

[tex]a^*=\frac{|\vec{b}\times\vec{c}|}{V}=\frac{bcsin\alpha}{V}[/tex]

[tex] b*=\frac{|\vec{c}\times\vec{a}|}{V}=\frac{acsin\beta}{V}[/tex]

[tex] cos\gamma^*=\frac{abc^2}{a^*b^*V^2}(cos\alpha cos\beta-cos\gamma)[/tex]

[tex] cos\gamma^*=\frac{abc^2}{\frac{bcsin\alpha}{V}\frac{acsin\beta}{V} V^2}(cos\alpha cos\beta-cos\gamma)[/tex]

[tex] cos\gamma*=\frac{cos\alpha cos\beta-cos\gamma}{sin\alpha sin\beta}[/tex]

Thanks!
 

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