Prove that F satisfies all field axioms by method of direct verification

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The discussion focuses on proving that the set F, consisting of all real numbers of the form x + y√2 (where x and y are rational numbers), satisfies all field axioms through direct verification. Key axioms include closure under addition and multiplication, commutativity, associativity, distributivity, existence of additive and multiplicative identities, and existence of negatives and reciprocals. Participants emphasize the necessity of demonstrating closure to validate the field properties, as failure to establish closure negates the possibility of F being a field.

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Homework Statement



Consider the collection F of all real numbers of the form x+y√2, where x and
y are rational numbers. Prove (by direct verification) that F satisfies all the field
axioms (just like R) under the usual addition and multiplication.


Homework Equations



Field axioms: There exist two binary operations, called addition + and
multiplication ∗, such that the following hold:
1) commutativity x + y = y + x, xy = yx
2) associativity x + (y + z) = (x + y) + z, x(yz) = (xy)z
3) distributivity x(y + z) = xy + xz
4) Existence of 0; 1 such that x + 0 = x, 1 · x = x,
5) Existence of negatives: For every x there exists y such that x + y = 0.
6) Existence of reciprocals: For every x ̸= 0 there exists y such that
xy = 1.

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I just want to make sure I did this right. If you were to prove that a collection F ( a collection of all real #'s of the form x+y\sqrt{2} where x & y are rational numbers ) satisfies all of the field axioms by direct verification, would you just do something like suppose m,n,o belong to F. then m=x1+y1\sqrt{2}, etc. and then you just say m+(n+o) = x1+y1\sqrt{2} + ... until you return to m+n+o = (m+n)+o ? And then proceed to do so for all the axioms mentioned above? It's supposed to be really trivial right?
 
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You're on the right track. To be completely rigorous, I'd add the steps to verify that the set F is actually closed under addition and multiplication. That is, for any x,y\in F

1. x+y\in F,
2. xy \in F.

Kind of trivial as you say, but proofs are about covering all of the bases.
 
fzero said:
You're on the right track. To be completely rigorous, I'd add the steps to verify that the set F is actually closed under addition and multiplication. That is, for any x,y\in F

1. x+y\in F,
2. xy \in F.

Kind of trivial as you say, but proofs are about covering all of the bases.

Just for clarity,

Why is it necessary to claim that the set F is closed under addition and multiplication for any x,y \in F? In other words, what would happen if the set wasn't closed under addition and multiplication, is it possible for the axioms to hold and this to still be true? Or does it mean that it's impossible for the axioms to hold if the set is not closed under addition and multiplication.
 
GOsuchessplayer said:
Just for clarity,

Why is it necessary to claim that the set F is closed under addition and multiplication for any x,y \in F? In other words, what would happen if the set wasn't closed under addition and multiplication, is it possible for the axioms to hold and this to still be true? Or does it mean that it's impossible for the axioms to hold if the set is not closed under addition and multiplication.

Closure is usually the first axiom in the definition. I brought it up because it wasn't listed in your problem. If the set wasn't closed under those operations, there'd be no point in verifying any of the other axioms since it couldn't be a field.
 
fzero said:
Closure is usually the first axiom in the definition. I brought it up because it wasn't listed in your problem. If the set wasn't closed under those operations, there'd be no point in verifying any of the other axioms since it couldn't be a field.

Alright,

Got it, You've been a big help.
 
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