Prove that the bth projection map is continuous and open.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the continuity and openness of the bth projection map \( P_b: \Pi X_a \to X_b \) in the context of general topology. Participants are examining the proofs related to these properties and seeking clarification on their correctness.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant claims that the continuity of \( P_b \) can be established by showing that the preimage of an open set in \( X_b \) is an element of the base for the Tychonoff topology on \( \Pi X_a \).
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about the correctness of their proof regarding the openness of \( P_b \) and seeks feedback.
  • A participant critiques the initial proof of openness, suggesting that it does not adequately demonstrate that \( P_b(V) \) is open and recommends showing that basis elements map to open sets instead.
  • One participant proposes considering an arbitrary basis element of the form \( V = \prod U_a \) to demonstrate that \( P_b(V) \) is open in \( X_b \).
  • A later reply provides a revised argument, stating that the image of a basis element under \( P_b \) can be shown to be open by analyzing finite intersections of open sets in \( X_a \) and their corresponding images.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correctness of the initial proof of openness, with ongoing debate about the appropriate methods to demonstrate the openness of the projection map.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need to consider basis elements specifically and the implications of mapping these elements to open sets. There is an emphasis on the importance of understanding the topology involved in the proof.

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I am trying to prove that the bth projection map Pb:\PiXa --> Xb is both continuous and open. I have already done the problem but I would like to check it.

1) Continuity:

Consider an open set Ub in Xb, then Pb-1(Ub) is an element of the base for the Tychonoff topology on \PiXa. Thus, Pb is continuous.

2) Openness:

Let U be an open set in \PiXa and let p be a point in U. Then there exists a neighbourhood V of p contained in U. Thus, Pb(p) \in Pb(V) and Pb(V) \subset Pb(U) and every point Pb(p) of Pb(U) has a neighbourhood Pb(V). Thus, Pb(U) is open and Pb is an open map.

I'm less sure about whether my proof of openness is correct. Could you tell me if my answer is correct or not and where I need to improve in my proofs? This question came from General Topology by Stephen Willard (Section 8). Thank you in advance.
 
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I just realized that my proof on openness is entirely wrong. Could anyone help me out on it?
 
ForMyThunder said:
2) Openness:

Let U be an open set in \PiXa and let p be a point in U. Then there exists a neighbourhood V of p contained in U. Thus, Pb(p) \in Pb(V) and Pb(V) \subset Pb(U) and every point Pb(p) of Pb(U) has a neighbourhood Pb(V). Thus, Pb(U) is open and Pb is an open map.

You can't really know that P_b(V) is open so this doesn't work. To show that a map is open it suffices to show that it maps basis elements to open sets so try considering an arbitrary basis element:
V = \prod U_a
where the collection \{U_a\}[/tex] consists of open sets (U_a open in X_a). You should be able to show that P_b(V) is open in X_b.<br /> <br /> The reason that we only need to show it for basis elements is that once we know it&#039;s true for them we can take arbitrary unions of them to show that all open sets also map to open sets.
 
Yeah, I think I've figured it out now:

An arbitrary basis element is given by the finite intersection \bigcapPai-1(Vai), where {ai} is a finite subset of the index set and each Vai is an open set in Xai. So then, Pb(\bigcapPai-1(Vai) = \bigcapPb(Pai-1(Vai)). When b\neqai for all i, then this equals Xb. When b=ai for some i, this equals Vai. In either case, the image is an open set, thus Pb is an open map.

I wrote this out right after I saw that my first proof was wrong.
 

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