Prove the open ball B(x,r) is a subset of B(x',r') iff d(x,x')<r'-r

  • Thread starter Thread starter ghelman
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Ball
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The problem involves proving that the open ball B(x,r) is a subset of B(x',r') if and only if the distance d(x,x') is less than r' - r, where d is a measure function. Participants are exploring the implications of this relationship within the context of metric spaces.

Discussion Character

  • Mixed

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the proof in both directions, with some attempting to establish the implications of the distance condition. There are attempts to apply the triangle inequality and considerations about specific points within the open balls.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the proof structure, particularly for the first implication. However, there remains uncertainty regarding the second implication, with participants questioning how to proceed and expressing the need for further exploration of the relationship between the distances and the elements of the open balls.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the problem being textbook-style, and participants are encouraged to post in appropriate forums for related questions. Additionally, some participants express confusion about the requirements of the proof and the implications of their findings.

ghelman
Messages
12
Reaction score
0
As stated, the problem is to prove B(x,r) is a subset of B(x',r') if and only if d(x,x')<r'-r, where d is a measure function. The proof going one direction seems pretty simple, but I can not figure out the other direction

Attempt at answer

<=

Assume d(x,x') < r'-r.
Assume a is an element of B(x,r).
Then d(x,x') < r'-r implies d(x,x') + r < r' implies d(x,x') + d(x,a) < r' as d(x,a) < r.
This implies that d(x',a) < r' by use of the triangle inequality, and thus a is an element of B(x',r').

=>

Let a be an element of B(x,r).
Then a is an element of B(x',r').
So d(x,a)<r and d(x',a)<r'.
This implies that d(x',a)-d(x,a) < r'-r

This would almost suggest a use of the reverse triangle inequality, but the inequality is pointing the wrong direction to use here. I am not sure how to proceed.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Since this is a textbook-style problem, I'm moving the thread to the calculus & beyond homework forum. You should post questions about textbook-style questions there, and questions about concepts, definitions and theorems in the topology & analysis forum.

Your proof of the first implication is fine, but can be made a bit prettier:

Suppose that ##d(x,x')<r'-r##. Let ##a\in B(x,r)## be arbitrary. Then
$$d(a,x')\leq d(a,x)+d(x,x')<r+(r'-r)=r'.$$ To prove the other implication, use that the point at the center of an open ball is an element of the open ball.
 
Sorry about putting the thread in the wrong place. I will be sure to put it in the right place next time.

Ok, so since B(x,r) is a subset of B(x',r'), we know that x is an element of B(x',r').
This implies that d(x,x') < r'.

But we need d(x,x') < r' - r

I'm not exactly sure how to proceed from that point. Intuitively, it seems like we want to use the point in B(x,r) that is farthest from x'. However, I have no idea how to find that point.
 
ghelman said:
Ok, so since B(x,r) is a subset of B(x',r'), we know that x is an element of B(x',r').
This implies that d(x,x') < r'.

But we need d(x,x') < r' - r
You're right, that was a mistake on my part. I forgot what we were trying to prove, exactly as your post suggests. Unfortunately I don't have time to think this through right now. I'll have another look tomorrow if this isn't solved by then.
 
No sweat. Thank you for the help so far!
 

Similar threads

Replies
1
Views
1K
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
3K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
4K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
Replies
20
Views
4K