Proving (A∪B)^n = (A∪B)∪(A∩B) for Natural N0s n

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The discussion revolves around proving the equation $$(A\cup B)^n =(A\cup B)\cup(A\cap B)$$ for all natural numbers n, based on the definition of powers of sets. It includes explorations of definitions, properties of set operations, and implications in Boolean algebra.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states the need to prove $$(A\cup B)^n =(A\cup B)\cup(A\cap B)$$ for all natural N0s n based on the definition $$A^{n+1}=A^n\cup A$$.
  • Another participant questions the necessity of including $A\cap B$ in the expression since it is already part of $A\cup B$.
  • Definitions of $A^1$ are discussed, with one participant asserting that $$A^1=A$$ and exploring the implications of this definition.
  • There is a discussion on the properties of disjunction, with one participant noting that associativity holds for all propositions and is an axiom in Boolean algebra.
  • One participant proposes to prove the axioms of absorption while leaving the proof of the axioms of associativity to another participant.
  • Curiosity is expressed regarding the division of work among participants, particularly about leaving tasks for others to complete.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of including $A\cap B$ in the equation, and there is no consensus on the proofs of the axioms discussed. The division of work also raises questions among participants, indicating a lack of agreement on collaborative expectations.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions and properties of set operations, particularly in relation to the proofs being discussed. The implications of Boolean algebra axioms are also noted but not fully resolved.

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Given the definition: $$A^{n+1}=A^n\cup A$$ then prove that:

$$(A\cup B)^n =(A\cup B)\cup(A\cap B)$$ for all natural N0s n
 
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solakis said:
Given the definition: $$A^{n+1}=A^n\cup A$$
What is $A^1$?

solakis said:
then prove that:

$$(A\cup B)^n =(A\cup B)\cup(A\cap B)$$ for all natural N0s n
Hmm, why write $(A\cup B)\cup(A\cap B)$ since $A\cap B$ is included in $A\cup B$?
 
Evgeny.Makarov said:
What is $A^1$?

Hmm, why write $(A\cup B)\cup(A\cap B)$ since $A\cap B$ is included in $A\cup B$?

$$A^1=A$$

Is by definition (or theorem):

1) $$x\in(A\cup B)\Longleftrightarrow x\in A\vee x\in B$$

......Or.......

2)$$x\in(A\cup B)\Longleftrightarrow (x\in A\vee x\in B)\vee (x\in A\wedge x\in B)$$
 
solakis said:
$$A^1=A$$
Then $A^n=A$ for all $n$.

solakis said:
Is by definition (or theorem):

1) $$x\in(A\cup B)\Longleftrightarrow x\in A\vee x\in B$$

......Or.......

2)$$x\in(A\cup B)\Longleftrightarrow (x\in A\vee x\in B)\vee (x\in A\wedge x\in B)$$
Both.
 
Evgeny.Makarov said:
Then $A^n=A$ for all $n$.

Both.

In that case if we put :

xεA=p, xεB= q,how would we prove :

(pvq)vr =pv(qvr)?

Since pvq <=> (pvq)v(p^q)
 
solakis said:
In that case if we put :

xεA=p, xεB= q,how would we prove :

(pvq)vr =pv(qvr)?
Associativity of disjunction holds for all propositions, not necessarily x ∈ A and x ∈ B. The way of proving it depends on axiomatics. In Boolean algebra, for example, this is an axiom.
 
Evgeny.Makarov said:
Associativity of disjunction holds for all propositions, not necessarily x ∈ A and x ∈ B. The way of proving it depends on axiomatics. In Boolean algebra, for example, this is an axiom.

By the way:

In the axioms you suggested in Wikipedia ,two of them can be proved using the other axioms.
Those are the axioms of absorption and the axioms of associativity.

I will prove the axioms of absorption and i will leave it to you to prove the axioms of associativity.proof:

1) x^(xvy)

2) (xv0)^(xvy)...using the axiom of identity:av0=a

3) xv(0^y).....using the axiom of distributivity: av(b^c) = (avb)^(avc)

4) xv(y^0)....using the axiom of commutativity: a^b=b^a

5) xv[(y^0)v0]...using the axiom of identity:av0=a

6) xv[(y^0)v(y^y')]...using the axiom of complements: a^a' = 0 (Note a' is the comlement of a)

7) xv[y^(0vy')].....using the axiom of distributivity : a^(bvc) = (a^b)v(a^c)

8) xv[y^(y'v0)].....using the axiom of commutativity: avb=bva

9) xv(y^y') ......using the axiom of identity: av0=a

10) xv0 ......using the axiom of complements :y^y'=0

11) x......using the axiom of identity: av0=aAlso due to the duolity principle we have:

xv(x^y)= x
 
solakis said:
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I will prove the axioms of absorption and i will leave it to you to prove the axioms of associativity...

I'm just curious, why are you leaving work to be done by Evgeny.Makarov?
 
MarkFL said:
I'm just curious, why are you leaving work to be done by Evgeny.Makarov?

You mean always or just this time ?
 
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solakis said:
You mean always or just this time ?

Just this one particular instance, the part of your post that I quoted. I was just curious. :D
 

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