Proving a function is injective

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The discussion revolves around proving that the function f: ]1, +inf[ → ]0, +inf[ defined by f(x) = x^2 + 2x + 1 is injective. Participants explore the implications of the function's quadratic nature and the conditions under which two inputs yield the same output.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the equality f(a) = f(b) leading to the equation (a + 1)^2 = (b + 1)^2. There is a focus on how to derive a = b from this equation, with some questioning the implications of the domain restrictions.

Discussion Status

The conversation is active, with various interpretations being explored regarding the injectivity of the function. Some participants suggest that the domain constraints simplify the argument, while others emphasize the need for clarity in reasoning without assuming calculus knowledge.

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There is a note that the thread is situated in the Precalc section, which raises questions about the appropriateness of using calculus concepts in the discussion. Participants are navigating the balance between algebraic and conceptual approaches to the problem.

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Homework Statement
Let f: ]1, +inf[ → ]0, +inf[ be defined by f(x)=x^2 +2x +1. Prove f is injective.
Relevant Equations
f(a) = f(b) ==> a=b
Hello,
Let f: ]1, +inf[ → ]0, +inf[ be defined by f(x)=x^2 +2x +1.

I am trying to prove f is injective.

Let a,b be in ]1, +inf[ and suppose f(a) = f(b).

Then, a^2 + 2a + 1 = b^2 + 2b + 1.

How do I solve this equation such that I end up with a = b?

Solution:

(a + 1) ^2 = (b + 1)^2

sqrt[(a+1)^2] = sqrt[(b+1)^2]

abs(a + 1) = abs(b + 1)

since a>1 and b>1

a + 1 = b +1
thus a = b

hence f is injective.

[Moderator's note: Moved from a technical forum and thus no template.]
 
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Cha0t1c said:
Hello,
Let f: ]1, +inf[ → ]0, +inf[ be defined by f(x)=x^2 +2x +1.

I am trying to prove f is injective.

Let a,b be in ]1, +inf[ and suppose f(a) = f(b).

Then, a^2 + 2a + 1 = b^2 + 2b + 1.

How do I solve this equation such that I end up with a = b?
It's a quadratic equation.
 
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PeroK said:
It's a quadratic equation.
(a+1)^2 = (b+1)^2, How did I not see that?!
 
Cha0t1c said:
(a+1)^2 = (b+1)^2, How did I not see that?!
But you're not done.
If ##(a + 1)^2 = (b + 1)^2## then ##a + 1 = \pm (b + 1)##. What more do you need to do to conclude that a = b?
 
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Mark44 said:
But you're not done.
If ##(a + 1)^2 = (b + 1)^2## then ##a + 1 = \pm (b + 1)##. What more do you need to do to conclude that a = b?
But a and b are strictly greater than 1 for all a and b since the domain is ] 1, +inf [. Doesn't it free us from this situation since b + 1 will always be greater than 0?
 
Cha0t1c said:
But a and b are strictly greater than 1 for all a and b since the domain is ] 1, +inf [. Doesn't it free us from this situation since b + 1 will always be greater than 0?

Yes, it does.
 
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If you know how to differentiate you can use that to see where the function is strictly increasing/decreasing and thus not taking the same value twice.
 
WWGD said:
If you know how to differentiate you can use that to see where the function is strictly increasing/decreasing and thus not taking the same value twice.
But the thread was posted in the Precalc section. If the thread was posted appropriately, we can't assume any prior knowledge of calculus.
 
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Mark44 said:
But the thread was posted in the Precalc section. If the thread was posted appropriately, we can't assume any prior knowledge of calculus.

Yes, but the argument still holds without calculus if you know about parabolas.
 
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Math_QED said:
Yes, but the argument still holds without calculus if you know about parabolas.
My comment was about the use of calculus techniques such as differentiation in a thread posted in the Precalc section, not about any properties of parabolas.
 
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I like the idea of looking at the increasing nature of the function (x+1)^2 on the domain [-1,inf), which is obvious even without differentiating, for this problem.
 

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