Proving Area of n-sided Polygons Maximizes When they are Regular?

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The discussion centers on the question of why a regular polygon maximizes area for a given perimeter. Participants explore the theoretical underpinnings and potential proofs related to this geometric property, considering various mathematical approaches and challenges.

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  • One participant notes the difficulty in proving that regular polygons have maximum area for a given perimeter, suggesting that the proof may depend on the types of shapes considered.
  • Another participant references the isoperimetric problem, indicating that while intuitively a circle maximizes area, the proof is complex and may not directly apply to polygons.
  • A different participant claims that it is straightforward to show that the area of regular polygons is less than that of a circle with a radius equal to the distance from the center to a vertex, but emphasizes the challenge in proving that regular polygons maximize area among all polygons with fixed perimeter.
  • One suggestion involves using induction on the number of triangles that make up the polygon, proposing a method to calculate area based on triangle deformation.
  • Another participant presents a detailed argument involving edge lengths and angles, proposing a calculus-based approach to demonstrate that equal edge lengths and angles are necessary for maximizing area.

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Participants express various viewpoints and approaches to the problem, with no consensus reached on a definitive proof or method. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to proving the maximum area property of regular polygons.

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Some limitations are noted, such as the dependence on the definitions of shapes considered and the complexity of generalizing proofs beyond specific cases. The discussion also highlights the challenges of rigorously proving geometric properties without assuming certain conditions.

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Hello,

I'm a math tutor at a community college, and one of the students recently asked me why it is always true that a *regular* polygon (regular meaning equiangular and equilateral) has maximum area for any given perimeter. It makes perfect intuitive sense, but neither I nor any of the other tutors could figure out a rigorous method to prove it (the key word here being "rigorous").

The textbook skirted around the issue, and Google is turning up fuzzy results at best. Wikipedia states that it is fact, but only cites a book from 1979 that would be difficult to find.

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I will have to think more to come up with a proof, but I will make mention of some things now. One difficulty in these problems is you have to know what "shapes" are allowed. If you are only looking at platonic polynomials, a simple proof should be had.

However, I think these types of proofs can be very difficult if you are looking for full generality. For example, the isoperimetric problem simply states, of all closed curves in ##\mathbb{R}^2## having some fixed length, which one maximizes area? Intuitively the answer is a circle, but its proof is rather difficult.

In your problem you seem to be only looking at polynomials with fixed perimeter and a fixed number of sides. If you are familiar with calculus of variations, you could exhaust all such polynomials and have a proof. Steiner Symmetrization is also another promising route. However, I think these are some very large guns to for this problem.
 
It's actually fairly straightforward to prove that, for all *regular* polygons, the area is always less than that of a circle whose radius equals the distance from the center to a vertex of the polygon. You just construct the figure from isosceles triangles, write the area of the triangle in terms of the height of the triangle, and it can be shown that as n-> infinity, the area of the figure -> pi*r^2. The student had no problem accepting this at all.

The problem is in proving that the regular polygon maximizes the area to begin with for any given perimeter, which seems to be required for the above to be true (in the sense that the circle is not only the maximum area of regular n-gons, but of all n-gons of fixed perimeter).
 
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Why not perform induction on the number of triangles? All shapes can be broken up into them, as you have already used. Deform the area of anyone triangle in the shapes, calculate area, induct on numberof triangles.
 
Cadaei said:
why it is always true that a *regular* polygon (regular meaning equiangular and equilateral) has maximum area for any given perimeter. .

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You'll also need to fix (or at least limit) the number of edges.

Not elegant, but here goes:
Suppose a polygon P has n edges, not all the same length. There must be two adjacent edges, AB, BC, of different length. Drop a perpendicular from B to AC and show that the total area of the two triangles would be increased by replacing B with B', where AB' = B'C = (AB+BC)/2 (easy with a little calculus, probably a non-calculus method too).
So that shows all the edges must be the same length, and that completes the proof for triangles.

Suppose all edges are the same but not all angles. There must be two adjacent angles that differ, ABC, BCD. Let AD = H, AB = BC = CD = L, area ABCD = F. Let angle U = (BAD+CDA)/2, V = (BAD-CDA)/2.
With a bit of working,
(1) (H2 - L2)/4 = L(H cos V - L cos U)(cos U)
(2) F = L(H cos V - L cos U)(sin U)
Thus 4F = (H2 - L2) tan U
Varying V, F is max when dF/dV = 0, so dU/dV = 0.
Squaring and adding (1) and (2), then differentiating wrt V:
(H cos V - L cos U)(-H sin(V) + L sin(U).dU/dV) = 0
If (H cos V - L cos U) = 0 then F would be 0, so we have sin(V) = 0.
Thus BAD = CDA, so ABC = BCD.
 

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