Proving Inequalities Involving Vector Space Dimensions

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The discussion revolves around proving inequalities related to the dimensions of vector space subspaces. Participants are examining two specific inequalities involving subspaces U and W of a vector space V, where the dimension of V is given as n. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and exploration of vector space properties.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks assistance in proving the inequalities dimV ≥ dim(U+W) and dim(U+W) ≥ dimU and dim(U+W) ≥ dimW.
  • Another participant suggests picking a basis for U and W to explore the properties of U+W as a subspace.
  • A different participant provides a detailed argument involving the basis of U and W, leading to the conclusion that dim(U+W) ≤ dimV, while questioning whether dimU + dimW must be less than or equal to dimV.
  • One participant simplifies the argument by stating that since U + W is a subspace of V, it follows that dim(U + W) ≤ dimV, and also addresses the question about the sum of dimensions of U and W.
  • A bonus question is posed regarding the relationship between the dimensions of U, W, U + W, and their intersection U ∩ W.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing levels of complexity in their approaches to the proofs. While some agree on the fundamental properties of subspaces, there is no consensus on the necessity of certain inequalities, particularly regarding the relationship between dimU + dimW and dimV.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the nature of the subspaces and the implications of their dimensions. The discussion does not clarify whether the inequalities hold under all conditions or specific cases.

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Readers interested in vector space theory, linear algebra, and mathematical proofs may find this discussion relevant.

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Hi all!

I´m trying to prove following two inequalities but I somehow got stuck:

U, W are subspaces of V with dimV = n

1) dimV >= dim(U+W)

2) dim(U+W)>=dimU and dim(U+W)>=dimW


Could you give me some hints?

thanks in advance!
 
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Just notice that if U and W are subspaces of V, then U+W is too. So pick a basis, and see what you can do with it. The same principle works for the second part also
 
ok, let u_1,...,u_n be a basis of U and w_1,...,w_m be a basis of W.

Every vector x of U+W can be therefore expressed as a lin combination of some u_1,..u_n,w_1,..,w_n , which implies that u_1,..u_n,w_1,..,w_n is a generating set of U+W. But we know that the basis of U+W must be a minimal generating set, so letting p be its dimension this yields: p<=m+n, or dim(U+W)<= dimU + dimV. Now we consider w element of W, which we also find in W+U, but cannot be spanned by u_1,...,u_n only, so dimW<=dim(W+U), where W is a subspace of W+U. but W+U is also a subspace of V, so in the end, we have

dim(U+W)<= dimV

is this a regular proof, or I did something wrong?

and another question: dimU + dimW should not necesserily be smaller or equal to dimV, should it?
 
You're making it much more complicated than it needs to be.

Since U + W is a subspace of V, it follows immediately that dim(U + W) ≤ dim V. The same idea works for the second part.

As for your last question, dim U + dim W is not necessarily less than or equal to dim V (take U = V and W = V, for example).

Here's a bonus question for you: Show that dim U + dim W = dim(U + W) + dim(U ∩ W).
 

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