Proving Inequality Math Problem for Positive Numbers x, y, and z

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The discussion revolves around proving mathematical inequalities involving positive numbers, specifically the inequalities (x+y+z)(1/x+1/y+1/z) ≥ 9 and (x+y+z+w)(1/x+1/y+1/z+1/w) ≥ 16. The focus includes both the derivation of these inequalities and the methods used to prove them, including the application of various mathematical principles.

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  • One participant presents the inequality (x+y+z)(1/x+1/y+1/z) and attempts to derive it, expressing confusion over the steps.
  • Another participant claims to prove the inequality by simplifying it to 3 + (sum of terms) and asserts it is greater than or equal to 9.
  • A further claim is made that a similar inequality for four variables, (x+y+z+w)(1/x+1/y+1/z+1/w), can be proven to be greater than or equal to 16.
  • Participants discuss the derivation of specific terms in the proof, with one participant suggesting a substitution to simplify the expression.
  • There is a mention of using the AM-GM inequality to support the claims made about the inequalities.
  • Another participant challenges the use of geometric means, suggesting that harmonic means are more appropriate for the context of the discussion.

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Participants express differing views on the methods used to prove the inequalities, particularly regarding the appropriateness of the means (arithmetic vs. harmonic vs. geometric). There is no clear consensus on the best approach or the correctness of each method presented.

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Some participants rely on specific mathematical properties and inequalities without fully resolving the implications of their assumptions. The discussion includes various mathematical steps that may depend on additional context or definitions not fully explored.

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hello all:

I have tried to solved the following problem, however, I was stucked. thanks for the help:

x, y z are positive number,
prove (x+y+z)(1/x+1/y+1/z) >=9,

if so, how about (x+y+z+w)(1/x+1/y+1/z+1/w) >= 9.

The following is what I've got:

(x+y+z)(1/x+1/y+1/z) = (x+y+x)[(yz+xz+xy)/xyz]
=[3(xyz) + (x^2*z+x^2*y+y^2*z+x*y^2+y*z^2+x*z^2)]/xyz
= 3 + [(x^2*z+x^2*y+y^2*z+x*y^2+y*z^2+x*z^2)]/xyz

Please help!
 
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\left(x+y+z\right)\left(x^{-1}+y^{-1}+z^{-1}\right)=3+\left[\left(xy^{-1}\right)+\left(yx^{-1}\right)\right]+\left[\left(xz^{-1}\right)+\left(zx^{-1}\right)\right]+\left[\left(yz^{-1}\right)+\left(zy^{-1}\right)\right]

\geq 3+2+2+2=9

Q.e.d.

I hope u see why.

Daniel.
 
Along the same lines,u can prove quite easily that

\left(x+y+z+w\right)\left(x^{-1}+y^{-1}+z^{-1}+w^{-1}\right)\geq 16

Daniel.
 
Thanks, Daniel;

How did you get the following line?
>= 3 + 2 + 2 +2

Many thanks
 
Well,take for example the first

xy^{-1}+yx^{-1} (1)

Make the substitution xy^{-1}=a (2).Then yx^{-1}=a^{-1} (3)

Therefore,(1) becomes a+a^{-1} (4)

And i say that a+a^{-1}\geq 2 (5),for a>0.

Can u prove it...?

Daniel.
 
Thanks, Daniel;

I got it.
 
Cool;

a + 1/a = (a^2 + 1)/a >= 2 since
(a-1)^2 >= 0
 
Daniel, I prove it with AM-GM Inequalities.
 
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I think you mean harmonic average.The geometric one is useless...

Daniel.
 
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arithmatic mean >= harmonic mean
i.e. A>=H
i.e. A/H >= 1

now
. x+y+z+w = 4*A and
1/x + 1/y + 1/z + 1/w = 4/H
hence the product is (4*A)*4/H
=16 * (A/H) >= 16*(1).
QED
 

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