Proving Infinitely Many Pairs of Positive Integers for Sum Equation

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The discussion revolves around the problem of finding infinitely many pairs of positive integers (m, n) such that the expression (m + 1) / n + (n + 1) / m is a positive integer. Participants explore various approaches, including inspection of values, modular equations, and algebraic manipulations, while debating the existence of infinite solutions versus a finite number of unique solutions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest starting with specific values for m and n to identify patterns or relationships that could lead to a general solution.
  • One participant proposes a modular equation derived from the original expression, leading to conditions on m and n being relatively prime.
  • Another participant identifies several specific pairs of integers that satisfy the equation, but expresses uncertainty about the completeness of their findings.
  • Some participants argue that there may only be a limited number of solutions, citing their own proofs and reasoning to support this view.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of assuming m and n are relatively prime, with some participants challenging this assumption.
  • Several participants engage in algebraic manipulations to explore the conditions under which the expression can yield integer results, leading to differing conclusions about the number of solutions.
  • One participant claims to have found a proof that limits the number of solutions to ten, while others continue to explore the possibility of infinite solutions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether there are infinitely many solutions or only a finite number. Multiple competing views remain, with some asserting the existence of only a limited set of solutions and others proposing that infinite solutions may exist under certain conditions.

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Participants express various assumptions and conditions throughout the discussion, such as the relative primeness of m and n, and the restrictions on their values. Some mathematical steps and reasoning remain unresolved, contributing to the ongoing debate.

  • #31
Ben Niehoff said:
I have it. Suppose

m^2 - (Zn - 1)m + n(n+1) = 0

This has two roots

m^2 - (m_1 + m_2) + m_1m_2 = 0

I'm not seeing how you make this leap. Please explain.
 
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  • #32
sennyk said:
I'm not seeing how you make this leap. Please explain.

Whoops, there's a typo. It should be:

m^2 - (m_1 + m_2)m + m_1m_2 = 0

It's directly from the fundamental theorem of algebra. If a second-degree polynomial has roots r_1 and r_2, then

\begin{array}{rcl}(x - r_1)(x - r_2) & = & 0 \\ x^2 - r_1x - r_2x + r_1r_2 &=& 0 \\ x^2 - (r_1 + r_2)x + r_1r_2 &=& 0\end{array}
 
  • #33
sennyk, while he did make a typo, you have got to look at symmetric functions as they apply to the roots of a polynominal.

Take the equation X^3-1 = 0. This equation has three roots x=1, X=\frac{-1\pm\sqrt-3}{2}

Question: What is the sum of the three roots and what is their product?

Answer: In the equation X^3-bX^2+cX-d, the sum of the roots equals -b, and the product of the roots equals -d. Since b=0 the sum of the roots is 0 and since -d =1 the product of the roots is 1.

We get the above form from multiplying out (x-r)(x-s)(x-t), where r,s,t represent the three roots.
 
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  • #34
The typo completely threw me off. I know how to find the roots of a polynomial. I'm not a complete amateur. :)
 
  • #35
O.K., sorry
 

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