Proving Modulus Inequality for Complex Numbers

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The discussion revolves around proving a modulus inequality for complex numbers, specifically exploring the relationship between the real part of the sum of two complex numbers and the moduli of two pairs of complex numbers. The context is rooted in complex analysis and involves the application of established properties of moduli and inequalities.

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  • CBarker1 presents a modulus inequality and expresses difficulty in proving it, stating the condition that the moduli of two complex numbers are not equal.
  • Some participants suggest using triangle inequalities, noting that the sum of the moduli of two complex numbers is greater than or equal to the modulus of their sum.
  • Others argue that the reverse triangle inequality can also be applied, indicating that the absolute difference of the moduli is less than or equal to the modulus of the sum.
  • A participant proposes that the inequality can be shown by applying the properties of the real part of a complex number, specifically that the real part is less than or equal to the modulus.
  • There is a suggestion that the argument may be going backwards, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the proof structure.

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Participants express various viewpoints on how to approach the proof, with some suggesting methods and others questioning the reasoning. No consensus is reached on a definitive solution or method for proving the inequality.

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Participants rely on properties of complex numbers and inequalities, but there are unresolved steps in the argumentation, particularly regarding the application of the triangle and reverse triangle inequalities. The discussion reflects a range of interpretations and approaches to the problem.

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Dear Everyone,

I am currently in an Introduction to Complex Analysis; I have a question:

Use established properties of moduli to show that when $\left|{z_3}\right|\ne\left|{z_4}\right|$:
$\frac{\Re{({z}_{1}+{z}_{2})}}{\left|{z}_{3}+{z}_{4}\right|}\le\frac{\left| {z}_{1} \right|+\left| {z}_{2} \right|}{\left| \left| {z}_{3} \right|-\left| {z}_{4} \right| \right|}$

My work:
Let ${z}_{1},{z}_{2}\in\Bbb{C}$ and ${z}_{3}, {z}_{4}$ be non-zero complex numbers.

I am stuck.

Thanks
CBarker1
 
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Cbarker1 said:
Dear Everyone,

I am currently in an Introduction to Complex Analysis; I have a question:

Use established properties of moduli to show that when $\left|{z_3}\right|\ne\left|{z_4}\right|$:
$\frac{\Re{({z}_{1}+{z}_{2})}}{\left|{z}_{3}+{z}_{4}\right|}\le\frac{\left| {z}_{1} \right|+\left| {z}_{2} \right|}{\left| \left| {z}_{3} \right|-\left| {z}_{4} \right| \right|}$

My work:
Let ${z}_{1},{z}_{2}\in\Bbb{C}$ and ${z}_{3}, {z}_{4}$ be non-zero complex numbers.

I am stuck.

Thanks
CBarker1

Hi Cbarker1,

Have you considered the triangle inequalities?
With complex numbers they are:
$$\begin{array}{} |z_1| + |z_2| \ge |z_1+z_2| & \text{Sum of 2 sides of a triangle}\ge\text{3rd side}\\
\Big||z_1|-|z_2|\Big| \le |z_1+z_2| & \text{Difference of 2 sides of a triangle}\le\text{3rd side}\\
\operatorname{Re} z \le |z| & \text{Rectangular side in a right triangle}\le \text{hypotenuse}
\end{array}$$

How far can you get with them?
 
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Hi Cbarker1,

Have you considered the triangle inequalities?
With complex numbers they are:
$$\begin{array}{} |z_1| + |z_2| \ge |z_1+z_2| & \text{Sum of 2 sides of a triangle}\ge\text{3rd side}\\
\Big||z_1|-|z_2|\Big| \le |z_1+z_2| & \text{Difference of 2 sides of a triangle}\le\text{3rd side}\\
\operatorname{Re} z \le |z| & \text{Rectangular side in a right triangle}\le \text{hypotenuse}
\end{array}$$

How far can you get with them?

I believe the solution is this:
$\frac{\Re{({z}_{1}+{z}_{2}})}{\left|{z}_{3}+{z}_{4}\right|}\le\frac{\left| {z}_{1}\right|+\left|{z}_{2} \right|}{\left|\left| {z}_{3} \right|-\left| {z}_{4} \right|\right|}$. By the triangle inequality and reverse triangle inequality, the inequality yields
$\le\frac{\left| {z}_{1}+{z}_{2} \right|}{\left|{z}_{3}+{z}_{4}\right|}$
By the $\operatorname{Re}{z}\le\left| z \right|$, then the inequality yields
$\le\frac{\operatorname{Re}{({z}_{1}+{z}_{2}})}{\left|{z}_{3}+{z}_{4}\right|}$ QED
 
Cbarker1 said:
I believe the solution is this:
$\frac{\Re{({z}_{1}+{z}_{2}})}{\left|{z}_{3}+{z}_{4}\right|}\le\frac{\left| {z}_{1}\right|+\left|{z}_{2} \right|}{\left|\left| {z}_{3} \right|-\left| {z}_{4} \right|\right|}$. By the triangle inequality and reverse triangle inequality, the inequality yields
$\le\frac{\left| {z}_{1}+{z}_{2} \right|}{\left|{z}_{3}+{z}_{4}\right|}$
By the $\operatorname{Re}{z}\le\left| z \right|$, then the inequality yields
$\le\frac{\operatorname{Re}{({z}_{1}+{z}_{2}})}{\left|{z}_{3}+{z}_{4}\right|}$ QED

You seem to be going backwards, rather than forwards, in your argument. The goal is to show $\displaystyle \frac{\Re(z_1 + z_2)}{|z_3 + z_4|} \le \frac{|z_1| + |z_2|}{||z_3| - |z_4||}$. Since $\Re z \le |z|$ for all complex numbers $z$, $\displaystyle \frac{\Re(z_1 + z_2)}{|z_3 + z_4|} \le \frac{|z_1 + z_2|}{|z_3 + z_4|}$. The triangle and reverse triangle inequalities yields $|z_1 + z_2| \le |z_1| + |z_2|$ and $|z_3 + z_4| \ge ||z_3| - |z_4||$; hence $\displaystyle \frac{|z_1 + z_2|}{|z_3 + z_4|} \le \frac{|z_1| + |z_2|}{||z_3| - |z_4||}$, as desired.
 

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