Proving N C R x M C R-r = (N+M) C R

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The discussion revolves around proving a combinatorial identity involving combinations of objects from two sets. The original poster presents a statement that involves summing products of combinations from two distinct sets, aiming to show that this sum equals a combination from the combined set.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster expresses uncertainty about how to approach the proof, suggesting that an inductive method might be complex due to the involvement of three variables. Other participants explore the scenario of selecting balls from two bins and question how selections from each bin combine. There is also a mention of a combinatorial proof and a formal proof approach.

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The discussion is active, with participants exploring different perspectives on the problem. Some are questioning the formal proof process, while others are considering the combinatorial implications of the problem. No consensus has been reached yet, but various lines of reasoning are being examined.

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Participants are navigating the complexity of the problem, particularly with the three variables involved (N, M, and R) and the implications of the combinatorial identity. There is an emphasis on understanding the relationship between selections from the two sets.

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Homework Statement



If (N,R) indicates number of combinations of R objects selected from set of N objects N >=r then prove :

R
E (N,r) x (M,R-r) = (N+M, R)
r=0

E specifies the usual capital sigma notion for a sum.

The Attempt at a Solution



Just don't know how to tackle this? Inductive proof may be possible but we have three variables N, M and R, so its non trivial?

Any clues?
 
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Suppose we have 2 bins with respectively N balls and M balls, and we take a total of R balls from both bins.
What are the possibilities for the number of balls to take from the first bin?
And how do they combine with the balls from the second bin?
 
Yes I understand the situation and the combinatoric proof, but how would I formally prove it?
 
Hmm, let's see...

Suppose we take generic variables a and b, then:
(a+b)N+M = (a+b)N (a+b)M

Working this out you get:
(... + C(N+M,R) aR bN+M-R + ... ) = (C(N,0)a0 bN + C(N,1)a1 bN-1 + ...) (C(M,0)a0 bM + C(M,1)a1 bM-1 + ...)

To get the specific term on the left side, you need to combine the terms on the right side in such a way that corresponds exactly to your equation.
So the equation must hold true.
 

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