Proving part of the ratio test

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This discussion centers on proving that if lim n→∞ |an+1/an| = L < 1, then the series Σan converges absolutely, and therefore converges. The key strategy involves demonstrating that Σ|an| behaves like a geometric series with a common ratio less than 1. Participants emphasize the necessity of formalizing the proof using epsilon-delta arguments to ensure rigor, particularly in showing that the ratios |an+1/an| become arbitrarily small for sufficiently large n. The conversation also touches on the conditions under which the ratio test applies, highlighting the importance of the limit of the terms approaching zero.

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This is not a homework problem. I'm doing it for fun. But it is the kind that might appear on homework.

Homework Statement



I'm trying to prove that if lim n→∞ |an+1/an| = L < 1, then \Sigma an converges absolutely and therefore converges.

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Here's my thinking. I feel like I'm on the right track, but I may need some help formalizing my expression of what's happening "in the limit" as n→∞.

To show that ∑an converges absolutely, I need to show that ∑|an| converges. My strategy is to show that, because of the condition above, as n→∞ this "tends toward" a geometric series with common ratio < 1 and therefore converges.

I have

∑an = |a1| + |a2| + |a3| + ... + |an|

= |a1| + |a1||a2/a1| + |a1||a2/a1||a3/a2| + ... + |a1||a2/a1||a3/a2||a4/a3|...|an/an-1|

Supposing lim n→∞ |an+1/an| = L < 1, this means that there is some integer N such that for n > N, all the ratios |an+1/an| are equal in the sense that the difference between any two of them can be made arbitrarily small by choosing N appropriately.

Therefore I conclude that for n > N, the series above can be written

∑|an| = |a1|(1 + L + L2 + L3 + L4 + ... + Ln)

i.e. it is a geometric series (or eventually becomes one beyond N) with common ratio < 1 and therefore converges.

And finally, since ∑|an| converges, ∑an converges absolutely and therefore it also converges.

Is my reasoning solid here? I am particularly concerned about the conclusion that all the ratios in the series (the ones that multiply |a1| in each term) eventually equal L. I think my intuition here is correct, but I am not well enough attuned to the subtleties of analysis to be confident that my chain of reasoning is unimpeachable.

NOTE: I know there must be better, shorter, more elegant, less cumbersome ways of proving this. I'm not interested in those until I have developed my own proof to the utmost. That way I will learn the most from the process.

Thanks!
 
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mindarson said:
Supposing lim n→∞ |an+1/an| = L < 1, this means that there is some integer N such that for n > N, all the ratios |an+1/an| are equal in the sense that the difference between any two of them can be made arbitrarily small by choosing N appropriately.

This is what troubles me most. A bit hand-wavey, I fear. I am wondering if I shouldn't try to show this explicitly using epsilonic reasoning, etc.
 
Rather than showing your series "tends toward" a geometric series, maybe try to show that it is eventually smaller than a convergent geometric series.
 
In undergraduate analysis, most proofs require an epsilon. This is one of them.
 
hmmm... is that a proper representation of the ratio test?

What about something like this:

##∑(5-\frac{n}{1000})##

Or is this a situation where the ratio test doesn't apply? I'm just asking, because this fits within your conditions, ##\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_{n}}<1## but as n approaches infinity, ##a_{n}→5##

I think you need:
if
##\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_{n}}<1## and ##\displaystyle\lim_{n→\infty}a_{n}=0## then S is convergant.

I know this doesn't really help you answer your question, but I feel it's a necessary condition.
 
oh wait, I lied. ##a_{n}→-\infty##
either way, it doesn't converge...
 
BiGyElLoWhAt said:
I think you need:
if
##\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_{n}}<1## and ##\displaystyle\lim_{n→\infty}a_{n}=0## then S is convergant.
No, that's not enough to ensure convergence. If ##a_n = 1/n## then ##a_n \rightarrow 0##
$$\frac{1/(n+1)}{1/n} = \frac{n}{n+1} < 1$$
but ##\sum a_n## diverges.

I suggest the following approach. We are given that
$$\lim \left|\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}\right| = L < 1$$
Therefore if we pick some number ##M## satisfying ##L < M < 1##, then there is some ##N## such that
$$\left|\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}\right| < M$$
for all ##n \geq N##. Now use the fact that if ##n > N##,
$$|a_n| = \left|\frac{a_{n}}{a_{n-1}}\right|\cdots\left|\frac{a_{N+1}}{a_N}\right||a_N|$$
 
BiGyElLoWhAt said:
hmmm... is that a proper representation of the ratio test?

What about something like this:

##∑(5-\frac{n}{1000})##

Or is this a situation where the ratio test doesn't apply? I'm just asking, because this fits within your conditions, ##\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_{n}}<1## but as n approaches infinity, ##a_{n}→5##

No, 5 - \frac{n}{1000} \to -\infty. Also, the condition is that <br /> \lim_{n \to \infty} \frac{|a_{n+1}|}{|a_n|} &lt; 1, and for a_n = 5 - n/1000 we get <br /> \frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n} = \frac{n + 1 - 5000}{n - 5000} \to 1 so this is not a counter-example.

In fact, if |a_{n+1}|/|a_n| tends to anything other than 1 then it must be the case that |a_n| \to 0: If |a_n| \to a &gt; 0 then also |a_{n+1}| \to a &gt; 0 and thus |a_{n+1}|/|a_{n}| \to a/a = 1 by the theorem that if the limits of two sequences exist, then the limit of the product exists and is the product of the limits. But if |a_n| \to 0 then the sequence 1/|a_{n}| diverges to +\infty and that theorem doesn't apply: the limit of |a_{n+1}|/|a_{n}| is in this case of the indeterminate form 0/0.
 

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